RE: Prayer?
August 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm by Ryantology.)
(August 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: You are saying that the arguement you keep bring up is valid because I have not defeated it.
That was my justification for making my argument, not an argument for its validity.
Quote:What if the plan is to provide a realm in which an indivisual's choice is prmitted?
Then, God is a neurotic asshole who makes arbitrary rules and inflicts the worst kind of suffering for anyone who breaks them, or doesn't recognize, to his satisfaction, who has the biggest dick in the universe.
Quote:Or three He is hold people to the choices they make in this life. If they choose eternal seperation from God then He simply holds them to it.
So, he intentionally devises the capacity for people to fail. He made man flawed, on purpose, and then puts them through torture if they can't overcome the hardships he inflicted.
You'd institutionalize a person who attempted that.
Quote:As I suspected you are working with a philosphy based in the greek philosphy of free will. I have identified this as 'Complete freedom of Choice.' Because one is free to choose whatever he wants without fear or thought given to consenquence. Know the bible does not say we have been given this freedom of Choice.
Freewill as the bible describes it is the ablity to be outside the expressed will of God. In otherwords it is the ablity to sin, and to find redemption for said sin.
Being free to fuck up and make up for it is not freedom at all. It's sadism.
Quote:You start by redefining 'free will' and then accuse God of not fitting the defination you provide. Here is a novel idea. If you are going to use the bible to define God then also use it to define the principle in which you are holding Him against.
Even if held to the concept of free will as you described it, God comes away looking like a terribly evil fantasy monster who inspires Stockholm Syndrome in his victims. It really doesn't matter how you define God's Plan or 'free will'. God never comes away from this looking plausible and always comes away as a being you could only ever want to worship out of terror.