(September 10, 2009 at 4:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 10, 2009 at 3:54 pm)amw79 Wrote: though as fr0do says above - "With faith it makes sense" - you just can't argue with a statement like that!!!
That is to crassly and superficially dismiss it.
Apologies, it was rather crass (but no less valid).
When trying to justify such an obvious paradox as the notion of the holy trinity, and then resorting to "with faith it makes sense", belittles the entire concept of debate and argument. By using this, anyone could apparently justify anything without either evidence, or more crucially - explanation.
It simply says "I understand this as I have faith. You don't have faith, so couldn't possibly understand"
This, to me, is immense arrogance, and singals the end of any possible debate - and as such - I stated "you just can't argue with a statement like that!!!"
That was merely a sidenote to the post, which was more generally about the trinity, and Jesus punturing a hole in the "non-temporal" god concept.
You can argue that god (in a deistic notion) is outside time, and outside space all day long, as its entirely unfalsifible, and unproveable. However if Jesus literally is god, as per the trinity concept - he clearly is temporal and in this universe.
