RE: Simple mental exercise to show the irrationality of the Christian God.
August 27, 2012 at 2:13 am
(August 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm)BeeDeePee Wrote: Hi!
Firstly, I have to say that I agree with you. If God is really all loving and wants to save all people, then he can not punish those who doesn't love him.
But, this logic has one problem: you can use it only against the believing that heel is a real place where God will send you if you do not perform his will.
The point what I'm trying to make is that this is not the only option. That's the way how western theologians understand this biblical and christian doctrine. But if you better look at the christian history and patristic theology, you'll find that a lot of holy fathers of the Christian Church (especially those in Bizantium) didn't accept this teaching.
According to them, hell and paradise are not places where you'll go after death and the Last Judgement, but rather a "mental state". They are ways how you experience loving communion that God offers to you. To be more clear let me give you an example:
Imagine a three men living at the same house. We'll call them A, B, C. And what is very important is that person B loves person A, while person C doesn't. For B who loves person A that would be a joy, while for C a hell.
That's exactly how those fathers understood existence of hell and paradise. It's not something that God makes, but people by their rejecting God's love.
So, when they speak about the Last Judgement, they understand it as a personal relationship and not as a real judgement. Therefore, there won't be a judgement in full sense of the word. God won't look at our lifes to see if we are good and religios people. There wont be sending to anywhere.
After the Second Coming God will be "all in all". It means that everything will be permeated by divine energies. For those who accept God and want to live forever in loving communion with him, it will be a paradise. For those who hate God, it will be a hell.
Why would that mental state be "hell", i.e. a state of suffering and torment? Maybe C doesn't give a shit about A and A's existence makes no difference to him. Maybe what C would really love is a chance to make A miserable and thinking of how to do that is a source of perpetual joy. In fact, the real hell would have been if C did love A and A didn't love back. Thus, if your god loves everyone and is forced to co-exist with those who are indifferent to him, then he must be in hell.