RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 30, 2012 at 8:03 pm
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2012 at 8:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: You'll be surprised at how well-plausible this sky-daddy is for philosophers, even philosophers who have a strong background in science. Logically and rationally, Philosophy of Religion, Science, Time, Mind have all currently led us to a place where metaphysically and scientifically (oh, youse gonna get mad at dis I can feel its!!!) the case for God is a very plausible possibility.
Perhaps that's what you should be doing then, making that case?
Quote:You might think I'm joking but I mean it 100%. Science doesn't traverse the borders of naturalism. Most philosophers of mind all but recognizes that unless you are willing to tie yourself into an epistemic pretzel trying to justify a purely physicalist worldview (it's not easy, trust me), you have to concede that there is more than the material world out there. Because while science and math can measure and calculate and predict consciousness, they cannot explain consciousness."You cannot explain ergo" - meh, doesn't hold any water for me Vinny.
Quote:Even David Chalmers, our favorite hippie philosopher and atheist is a dualist because of this problem of science.Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Quote:And this is precisely the metaphysical move that opens up rational space for the possibility of Godlike being in the actual world.It begins. At first it was "god"..now we're left with "god-like". I'm sure that by the end of the discussion we'll be left with "a nice guy, different, but nice - slight limp when he walks".
Quote:So tldr: You're partly right. The fundie Christians heads are spinning the moment you mention anything other than John 3:16, but there are very knowledgeable and intelligent Christians out there too whose beliefs happen to be supported by reality, if not science.Which ones?
Quote:We need to be able to grapple with their claims
Handled - "Evidence?"
Quote:and we need to be able to put more of our people in school to fight these ideas. The faster we do this, the faster we realize that we can't just say "science did it".Seriously, who the fuck says this?
Quote:We need to open ourselves up to metaphysics.
The answer is in understanding metaphysics.
Nah, they just need to provide some evidence. To be honest, I'm not really a huge fan of metaphysics.
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