(August 30, 2012 at 5:12 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: You've both missed my point.
I'm distinguishing between "science and the Bible conflict" and "our current understanding of science and the Bible conflict".
If our current understanding of science (call this "S") conflicts with a Biblical claim (call this "B"), then there's basically four cases:
1) S is true, B is false; our current understanding of science is accurate, and the Bible's claim is wrong. For example, if B = "The Earth is flat" and S = "The Earth is round".
2) S is true, B is true; this is a contradiction, since S contradicts B.
3) S is false, B is false; the Bible's claim is false, but our current understanding of science is also false. For example, if B = "The world will end in 2011 in a divine apocalypse", S = "The world will end in 2011 because of Aether confluxion" (where Aether confluxion is some currently-widely-held (but false) scientific view of physics).
4) S is false, B is true; the Bible's claim is true, but our current understanding of science is wrong. E.g., if B = "The laws of quantum physics hold," S = "The laws of Newtonian mechanics hold".
MY point was that you're saying the bible says things that it doesn't. Even if our current understanding of the universe is not completely accurate, it is at least partially. A scientific view of the universe has the ability to change; a religious view does not have the freedom to do so.
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