(September 14, 2012 at 8:51 am)Grazer501 Wrote: Dumac
Virtually no historian doubts his existence. As Graham Clark and Craig Blomberg put it; the documentary evidence is simply overwhelming. Graham Clark isn't a Christian either
Link to interview with Craig Blomberg as he answers some the questions over the evidence
https://publicchristianity.org/library/c...FMl93ldVo9
The gospel accounts are treated as historical biographies, written unprecedentedly early for documents of the time, containing eye witness accounts or other sources. Pauls letters have been dated earlier than the gospels and contain core elements of the Christian faith. Paul got these from others. There was a core of Christianity within a year or 2 of Jesus's reported death and resurrection. It was born and rose very quickly and for it to do so based on a man who never existed is unheard of in history. As C.F.D Moule puts it;
"The birth and rapid rise of Christianity remains an enigma for any historian not willing to take seriously the only explanation on offer by the church itself.
I'll come to the resurrection later.
I have no problems with the theory of evolution or the big bang theory. Neither of them disprove God in anyway as they are 2 different types of explanation. I'm not a young earth creationist btw.
Hi Grazer,
You seem like a well-read chap. There is going to be a debate in the Formal Debate forum of AF and Lion and Godschild are, I believe, looking for participants to collaborate in a huge debate against me. The motion of the debate is "The Bible contains untruths, falsehoods and even deliberate lies".
I will be proposing the motion and the other Christians are going to oppose it. It depends on what sort of a Christian you are. Are you the sort, like me, who believes that the Bible contains all these untruths and even deliberate lies? Or do you take the Bible to be the word of God and so it's free of untruths and lies? By lies, of course I mean the lies told by the Bible writers. I'm not referring to lies told by the Bible characters.
If you want to see what has been discussed, you may go to this thread:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-14793.html
I hope to cross swords with you and the other Christians in a fun debate.
Cheers and see you in the battlefield!
