Some religions are secular- Atheists should oppose these too

[TaraJo]

- "All sex is rape" - yeah, that's a good one. I find such concepts to be more demeaning to women than what feminists would realize. Basically, what they are saying is that even if a women consents to sex, she is not really consenting but being overpowered by the male will. That would automatically put women in an inferior position, which, I should think, goes against the feminist agenda. Another example would be having special quotas for women in jobs or college admission. Even though it's done in name of social equality, I would think that most women would find it insulting to be told effectively that "you can't get in on your own merit, but since we care about social equality, we are letting you in anyway".

I'm with you here. I don't like this victim based feminism that seems to be taking over. The kinds of feminist role models I like are people like Billy Jean King who, when someone said he can beat her because he's a man, she took him to school and beat him. I strongly appreciate tough girls who go out there and get done what they think is important, not the whiners who just sit there and moan about these first world problems they see as a sign of oppression. And, yes, as a woman, I resent being told I'm a victim whether I like it or not.

- Regarding the relevance of biological differences - they may not be as irrelevant as you may think. For example, not just upper body strength but the capacity for physical endurance is greater in men as well. While the obvious implications are preferential male selection in fields such as military and police, but the same concept is also applicable in many other blue collar jobs, such as construction work. Similarly, there are other jobs where women are more suitable. While this is often held up as an example of gender inequality, I don't see why gender equality should be necessarily attained in these situations.

You have a point. I think a better goal than gender equality would be a society with gender blindness: whether or not you get a certain job is based entirely on how good you are at performing the duties of the job and not on sex/race/sexual orientation. I mean, if I'm in a house fire and a firefighter is getting me out, I just want to make sure the firefighter is strong enough to do it without having to drag me over burning shrapnel; as long as they're able to do that, I don't care what their gender is. Dismissing an otherwise qualified candidate because of their gender is bad, but it's also bad to hire someone who would otherwise be unqualified just so you can fulfill a quota.