RE: God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?
October 8, 2012 at 1:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2012 at 1:46 pm by Greatest I am.)
(October 6, 2012 at 2:37 pm)Drich Wrote: [If you had an oppertunity to Kill Adolph Hilter, Joesph Stallin, Hirohito/Emperor Shōwa, Mao Zedong, Kim Il sung as a Child knowing full well what they would accomplish as an adult, would you be obligated to kill them? Or would you wait till after these three men collibrated and kill 1/3 of the worlds population at the time they lived? would you sacerfice the lives of hundreds of millions for the sake of the philosphy you live by, or would you do something about it? what would your responsiablity be if you absolutly 100% knew that their was an entire race of people bent on the destruction of the world?
Children cannot be guilty of sin yet God kills them.
God is in a position to Judge our actions before we commit them. In the case of those races/clans He decided to wipe out He did so in order to perserve His chosen people. He knew that even if the imediate generation posed no threat, that one generation down the pike would. So in order to perserve His people and subsequently inorder to perserve the linage of Christ and salvation for the rest of the world some people (even children) had to die.
Quote:Yet those of the Abrahamic cults, Christians, Muslims and other believers, do not reject this cowardly and immoral God.Because we know not "all people are basically good." That all are intrinsically sinful and whether we die as a Child or as an old man we all still owe a death to the life we have been given, and it is up to our sovern God to tell us when our life is forefit.
Why not?
Regards
Drich
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If I had the power of your God, I would not have to kill all those you listed above. I would not have given them life in the first place.
If you think they deserve death, then why did your God create them and let them do their thing in the first place?
Could you also point out where in this clip and child you see anything that is intrinsically evil?
I would agree that we can all do evil but that we are hard wired to cooperate or do good.
Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.
Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.
Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.
Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.
Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.
This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.
Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.
There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.
Regards
DL
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Strangely, Christianity helps me on this issue.
Theistic evolution.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#g/c/...F680C1DBEB
Regards
DL
(October 6, 2012 at 3:24 pm)Drich Wrote: [
Quote:...god is not basically good either.By what standard? Yours?who are you to judge God? Your answer:_________________ my response:
Who are you to deny others the right to judge God when you yourself have judged him good and worthy of your adoration?
Even though he is a genocidal maniac who even has his own son needlessly murdered. Even Hitler would not be so devoid of morals or instincts.
Regards
DL