RE: Question to Christians re humility
October 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm)Undeceived Wrote:In what way is your answer the best at had? How does it surpass my "We don't know"? Correct, finding, not manufacturing answers. I don't revert to a naturalistic default, we don't know. What about "we don't know" can't you handle? No amount of arguing against naturalism will make your ghost story more plausible or believable to me, you probably know this (and probably understand why). You -can- "see thermodynamics", btw, jesus fucking christ.....(October 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The correct answer is "we don't know". You've abandoned science from this point forward (because it was only useful to you as a preamble), you've abandoned evidence (because it is only useful to you as pretext)
My argument gave the best answer at hand. Science is about finding answers. You seem content to say "I don't know" and revert to a naturalistic default. I’ll repeat what I told Darkstar: if you wish to make naturalism the default, give an argument why. There is no “natural unless proven supernatural” court of law. If you think there is, you must explain yourself. Don’t assume your version of epistemology (source of knowledge) is true. In my argument, I made the case that natural laws lead us to supernatural conclusions. That’s science. Just because science leads outside of the scientific realm does not mean you should abandon your search for answers. In absence and extension of observation, scientists use reason. Black holes are one example, evolution, gravity… in fact, all the universal laws of science extend only so far as observation of their affects. I can’t see thermodynamics, but I use reason to theorize about why it is the case. Yet you accept theories on these subjects. If science leads us to God, why are you afraid of that? A causeless entity should pack no more emotional punch than any other theory, like quantum fluctuations. He/It is only the Black Hole that stars revolve around (metaphorically speaking). We can’t see Him/It, but we know He/It has to be there, and we know He/It has to have certain attributes in that place.
Tell me more about what I'm afraid of, jackass. No, wait, don't, just support your fucking claims...at your leisure.
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