RE: God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?
October 10, 2012 at 8:28 am
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2012 at 9:08 am by Drich.)
(October 9, 2012 at 11:02 pm)Darkstar Wrote:(October 9, 2012 at 10:57 pm)Drich Wrote: I have pointed out that Epericus lived before the advent of Christianity in that thread. ThereFore the "god(s)" he was ORGINALLY Speaking of was NOT the God of the bible.
So he lived before that particular form of god was invented, so what? It still works.
Again it does not work because The God of the bible does not offer all people the omnibenevolence epiricus' gods appearently did. So in the first line of the supposed paradox when the God of the bible is found to be less than loving to you 'good' people, it's not in contradiction to His character. So you believe God to be Malevolent. So what? Did He promise you anything else? If you believe He did then provide book chapter and verse to prove otherwise. Otherwise know this 'paradox' is broken because these 'omni aspects' of Epiricus' gods do not nor have ever applied to the God of the Bible.
(October 9, 2012 at 11:10 pm)System of Solace Wrote:It's funny how the bible does not use the word you used, and I think it to be odd you do not define the word. It seems to me you think Omnipresents is God evenly exists everyplace all of the time . If one simply ignored the first part of what David had to say I could possiably agree, but that is not what is being communicated here. In the first 6 verses David is speaking of the nature of HIS personal relationship with his God. This is carried on to verse 7 which states "Where can [b]I[b/] go from Your Spirit?" Meaning God is with David, and David can not wander out of the presents of God. That means For David God is always present. That does not mean you have the same "proxcimity" to God as David did.Quote:Yet it applies to the Christian god rather wonderfully. Invalid argument.Actually no it doesn't. It only applies to your sunday school understanding of what people thought of God 1500 years ago. This is not an accurate protrayal of the God of the bible. If you believe me wrong then simply provide Book Chapter and verse to proove otherwise.
Quote:That's not free will, that's a decision.It is not the greek philosphy that has been deemed 'free will' and has been grafter onto the biblical doctrine, No. But, It is however the only one true choice we have been given by God. You were born unto sin. A slave to sin. That means all your sin desisions are not apart of 'free will.' as you are forced to sin. The only choice you get to make that is not laced with sin is the one Christ died to provide to you. Your only real oppertunity to excersize 'free will' (to make a desision out side of sin) is to seek redemption.
Quote: A decision that makes people hate your religion because it forces them to feel inferior and in debt for the rest of their lives.Again this is a snipit of a 1500 year old view of christianity. Once one can indentify sin and the need for redemption then all he has to do is accept the attonement offered to him. From that point on, that person is free from sin. Not that he can stop sinning as Paul explains in romans 8 but he is free from the consenquences of sin and is not forced to look down upon himself or make up excuses as to why he can sin or why a sin was 'morally' justified in doing. No, this person (while still a practing sinner) is simply free from the consenquences of sin.
Quote:You love to repeat yourself.I have to. repeatedly.
Quote:Really? Let's check your magical book!Is Omnipotence the only omni aspect of god being repersented in the supposed paradox? Let me see book chapter and verse on the other aspects you have to have in order for this paradox to work.
Quote:Ah, so God isn't all powerful or all knowing? He's just some guy who created the universe, controls everything, and knows every thought?
“Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!” (Revelation 19:6).
Omnipotent.
Quote:[quote] Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell [the grave], behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me” (Psalm 139:7–10).
Omnipresent.
Quote:This is a streach even for a sunday schooler. Before I proceed let me see you say you believe Omniscients to be limited to God having the ablity to simply 'see all things.' That for you the doctrine of Omniscients does not include any other 'all knowing aspects.'Quote:God sees all things, and nothing can be hidden from His knowledge—not even the secret intentions of the heart (Psalm 44:21)
there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account (Hebrews 4:13).
He knows us better than we do (Jeremiah 17:9-10; Hebrews 4:12)
Omniscient! The three O's are right there!
And againd I see you left out omni benevolence even though your whole arguement depends on it.. Wonder why that is.