(October 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm)System of Solace Wrote: How were they justified in the past?There is a really technically complicated explaination for this one. do you have your bible and a pen/paper ready?
Here goes. They were justified because God told them to do it!
In other words God said it was ok.
Quote:And what if these commands have been personal, as so many claim?Then I'd ask for book Chappter and verse that tells us to expect and accept when one of us gets the personal authoiry to go on a rampage in the name of God.
Quote:how do you answer to the hundreds that claim they killed for God?In Christianity to a 'christian' who claimed this I would ask for book chapter and verse.
Quote:You brought omnibenevolence into this debate. It is not omnibenevolence, but simply benevolence.The do you best here. Show me where God promises benevolence to those who do not know or want to know Him.
Quote:Do you realize your problem here? If you are right and he is not benevolent (you aren't) then he is simply a total asshole.Again, if you are poor because you do not want to work, then who care if you think having money (because you do not) is unfair.
You are Spiritually bankrupt because you do not A/S/K. Do not fool yourself into believing anything else.
Quote:Then he's malevolent, and does not care about the suffering of mankind.So what? He does not promise anything else.
Quote:And why did man fall, anyways? Because God isn't a good enough designer?Choice.
Quote:This boy and millions like him die of your inaction, Your contentment to simply blame a God you claim you do not believe exists, Your in ablity to reach past your comfort zone. This isn't God. This is the result of your actions and people like you. Grow up and take responsiablity for your own self, stop blaming someone who you pretend that doesn't exist anyway.Quote:Seriously? How can you say you hate God if you truly know nothing of Him?
African child dying of AIDS. Probably never heard of Jesus. If you seriously didn't understand what I said.....well, we won't go there.
Quote:No. I'm just saying that the biggest religious power in the world right now thinks differently than you.and appearently thinks differently than God does.. Otherwise don't you think He would have mentioned 1/2 the doctrines and dogmas that are taught be this supposed 'supper power' in the one and only book He had written? If a doctrine is not found in the bible then that 'doctrine' is not a revelation of the God of the bible. I serve the God of the bible and I repersent this God. If you want to argue the god of the vatican and his policies then find someone else to talk to.
Quote:1 John 4:8 "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
Let me help you make my point a little clear for me by using this passage in it's proper context.. and let me put it into a variation of the english language used in this century:
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Hmmm, who is "Us?" Is it all of us? No because in your verse (verse 8) there is a seperation of those who love and those who do not. So the word "Us" here does not mean all of us. Which means thier are some who are not privy to the love being offered here. Paul tells "us" that not all are called. and of those who are called, not all will heed this call. So the point being God love is boundless. It's just not all will experience this boundless love.