RE: One of the stupidest fucking replies ever.
October 17, 2012 at 8:30 am
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2012 at 8:37 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 17, 2012 at 7:16 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Science can talk about a series of natural laws that operate in the universe, but it can't talk about the source of these laws. It can talk about how things in the universe work, but it can't talk about where anything has ultimately come from.Why?
Quote:Science starts from an intermediate point. Science is an attempt to understand the natural world using the limited faculties of knowledge that nature itself has bestowed upon humanity.Surely you mean "that god has bestowed"
Quote:You got your eyes and ears and brain because someone or something gave them to you - you didn't make them yourself (nor can science make such organs, nor does it entirely understand them).I most assuredly -did- make them myself. My dna coded that. You do know that our organs are pretty well understood, right? Understood well enough to correct their flaws with something as simple as a glass lens, or something as complicated as a pacemaker.
Quote:Science is a noble attempt, and it has produced all kinds of helpful, as well as destructive, technology. But someone or something else controls the rules about what's possible for you to know with your senses and mind - they were given to you by powers both higher than you and which you haven't understood.Who or what controls these rules, what are these rules, and are you ready to demonstrate the reality of either claim?
Quote:Why do you think you get to make the rules and set the standards about how to know the origin of everything, including your own faculties of knowledge? It's so obvious that you don't.Whether I get to "set the rules" or not is a silly question. I don't have magical abilities (nor do you, nor does anyone...mostly because magic doesn't exist). I get to set standards because you are asking me to personally accept the ridiculous-as-reality, and as far as my acceptance of any given thing goes only my rules apply. It's my head you're hoping to fill with trash...so I think I have some say-so in that. Do I think I have good standards, sure, do I think you should take a good look at my standards and perhaps leverage them yourself, absolutely. Will you, probably not.
Quote:God is the origin of existence.Demonstrate that god exists, and then...after that, that god is the origin of existence. Nothing that follows from this statement has any value or meaning whatsoever until you have done so.
Quote: You'll never find God by the scientific method - and it is your arrogance, not your reason, that you imagine that scientific methods are the only, or even the best, means of knowledge.That would be troubling, mostly for god.
Quote:Science simply doesn't know about the origin of life and the universe. Science can only dream up wild, unprovable hypotheses on this topic, not present any type of testable theory. At least the Vedas present a testable theory on the subject!Of course it does, you just don't like the observations we've made because they don't seem (to you) to leave any room for fairies. Care to give us the Vedas testable theory? I think you're probably just using the words testable and theory because they "sound sciencey"....essentially betraying your own objections.
Quote:If you are unhappy about calling the source of everything "God", ok fine. Then present the source of everything.Why? Do your own work. You're the one claiming that you have it at your fingertips.
Quote: Don't just tell me I don't know anything or understand anything about the original source of existence - how would you know anything about what I know?By the posts you've decided to grace us with, silly......
Quote:Present the source of everything - then science could be taken seriously as a way to know about God, or the absence of God. Otherwise, why insist science has anything to say on the subject at all?To be fair, we don't, that would be you lot. Who insists upon bringing their god into the realm testable by science? Who draws that magic down and makes it personal, interactive, present? Not I.
Quote:"Those who are bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated." - Krishna, Bhagavad gita 9.12Cool story, bro.
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