(September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm)Dotard Wrote: You are the dumb fuck who is insisting this one God is three persons. YOU cannot seem to distinguish or understand ONE deity does not equal THREE deities.
It takes horrific mental gymnastics to go from my statement (that one God is one God) to Dotard's statement (that Arcanus thinks one God is three Gods). It is inconceivable for a conclusion to violate the standards of sound reasoning any more graphically than his did. He persistently insists that both myself and Christianity affirms three deities, a conclusion he cannot support with anything other than extraordinarily bad reasoning. Bravo, and well done.
Christianity consistently affirms belief in only one God, from scriptures to creeds to liturgies, and has for thousands of years. The assertion that Christianity believes in three deities is derived from conclusions drawn through fallacious reasoning—i.e., very wrong-headed inference. The fact that Dotard's argument stands on such irrational ground speaks volumes to any thinking observer.
(September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm)Dotard Wrote: If you are assigning these persons supernatural qualities, then they can rightfully be labeled deities, or entities.
A supernatural quality does not a deity make, under Christian theism (e.g., angels are ascribed supernatural qualities but are not deities). If someone wants to attack something Christianity does not teach, that's perfectly all right. But if someone tries to hold it as a criticism of Christianity, I'm going to draw everyone's attention to it being the Straw Man fallacy. Conclusions produced by fallacious reasoning are tremendously underwhelming to those who value critical thinking skills.
(September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm)Dotard Wrote: So tell me, Mr. Jon Paul wannabe, how the fuck can you say this ONE God is THREE persons? I don't give a fuck if a bunch of ancient dumbasses said it is so. I'm asking YOU how the hell do you reconcile that?!
I fail to see what is irreconcilable about three persons all having the same substance. The 'what' of an entity is distinct from how many entities possess it.
(September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm)Dotard Wrote: It's a simple question. Is it one, or is it three?
I believe any intelligent person could detect that his question is blatantly incomplete: one what, or three what?
(September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm)Dotard Wrote: "Christianity affirms only one God. And Christianity affirms God is three persons." And you don't have a problem with that? You just accept it, even though it is a contradiction, for no other reason than your pathological fears.
Christianity affirms that x, y, and z are all P. That is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a contradiction.
(September 22, 2009 at 9:10 am)Dotard Wrote: I, too, wish to know the underlying causes for Arcanus to attack me as he did. What I was trying to 'prove' is that the personal attacks Mr. Arcanus rolled out into the discussion can be played by me also. Two can play that game.
It is deeply ironic that Dotard wishes to know why I took such a tone. He sets the tone of the discussion; my response corresponded to the tone that he set; and he suddenly feigns bewilderment at the tone of the discussion? Even going so far as to give me a negative rep point!
(September 21, 2009 at 9:13 am)Dotard Wrote: Well there ya go.
Christianity confirms it cannot make up it's mind. It performs mental gymnastics in a desperate need to make it all make sense, yet it fails. Well, actually you fail.
Now I'll wait for the standard "you just don't understand" line of crap. I understand you have a hard time distinguishing "one" from "three". ;)<--One winky face. ;););)<--Three winky faces. See how that works?
Unless you live in bizarro world or christiandom. Those are the only two places I know of where 1=3 or 3=1. It matter not that "christianity affirms" 3=1 or 1=3. Christianity also "affirms" God made the sun stop so a war could be fought. It also "affirms" fidelity can be tested by making a woman accused of such eat dirt off a floor to see if she gets sick. It also "affirms" God flooded the entire world and killed off all human kind save for a small family.
I do believe you know what I am driving at here.
The Father is greater that I, and, I and the Father are one, are contradictory statements and you are failing to demonstrate otherwise.
Given the unfairness of the negative rep point, I have no interest in ever responding to Dotard again.
Incidentally, Dotard is dismissive of the phrase "Christianity affirms" and probably because that phrase in no way proves something as true. But who in their right mind would think otherwise? Not to put too fine a point on it, not even Christians believe that a thing is true merely because "Christianity affirms" it. However, ANY thinking person familiar with logical reasoning knows that what "Christianity affirms" is the criteria for evaluating whether or not some criticism of it commits a Straw Man fallacy.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)