When you prayed did it ever work?

[Drich]

[quote='DoubtVsFaith' pid='357312' dateline='1351762971']
Whether the hits prevail over the misses is not the same as 'counting the hits and ignoring the misses' - which is what I said. If you ignore the misses then you don't even know that the hits are prevailing over them. That is my point.
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It is funny to me that you have such a deep concern of the accuracy of how your statement was presented, and little to no concern if the statement you presented was even accurate.

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[quote='Kirbmarc' pid='357331' dateline='1351770536']
[quote]When God speaks or directs 'we' know.[/quote]

How?
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When your father/mother or any loved one speaks from out of a crowd of people how is it you know thier voice?

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[quote='Faith No More' pid='357357' dateline='1351774723']
[quote]So you have said, repeatedly I might add.

This all returns us back to my comment about confirmation bias. All I need to do is believe in god, and suddenly, he will reveal himself in the way of proof. [/quote]No.
Many of you believe now even though you can not admit it. Belief in of itself is meaningless. Belief needs to yield a mustard seeds worth of faith. It is this faith that has us Ask for the proof God offers, It has us seek out the gift He has promised to give and it has us seek until we find it.

[quote]At least that is how I will interpret it through my error in coming to a conclusion before examining the data. Why is that god requires people to seek him through such an absolutely flawed manner of discerning the truth?[/quote]Because in order for one to do this on His terms, one must first humble himself before God or even just the idea of God. So that one has put aside all of the prideful reasons and arguements that would demand God first seek them out and prove Himself to them, through various favors or magic tricks. God is not a circus clown or birthday party magician. God is Sovern. Meaning God has ultimate authority. Even with our various world leaders we respect them enough to not make them prove themselves to us on an indivisual basis. For example if the President of the United States, or the Queen of England invited you over for a State dinner, would you first demand the he/she appear before you and personally ask you? Would you try and change the venue or ask for a greater honor than what has already been presented to you?

Then why should an almighty sovern God be reduced to parlor tricks? Especially when He has made a provision for 'evidence' and issued a command that we follow it?

Humble yourself before God and He will lift you up.