Which Comes First?

[solarwave]

Whether you want to challenge this supposed god or not, however you want to put it should not make a difference if he truly exists and if you are sincere, as you say.

Sorry I cant read this sentance lol

Eilonnwy:

And you'd be wrong. I base my entire life on accepting the truths of science, believing things when there's testable and reliable evidence to back it up. Do I get wrong at times? Of course, but I do the best I can to be appropriately skeptical.

Do you not believe in history, which has evidence, but not testable data like science. Don't you believe that I or the people you meet everyday are real people, or at least you act as if they are. How about right and wrong, or do you act morally simply because of the law? Or if a friend tells you something do you believe them or get a polygraph test on them and then data on their claim before believing them?

I dont mean to sound like Im having a go at you if it does sound that way, Im just making that point that no one lives that way and that all people live by a certain amount of faith (otherwise known as trust).

I can because it is.

It's called a fallacy because the logic is faulty. I did not assert circular reasoning, I asserted Fr0d0 was making the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Even if we say that fr0d0's proposition is true (which I do not accept for an instant) it's still based on a fallacy and not demonstrably convincing. For example, the popularity fallacy, most people believe the world is round. And it is. However to assert the world is round because most people believe it is, does not actually make it true. It's true because science says so. Not long ago the population believed it was flat.

It may be the case that some people when they attempt to pray, are not being genuine and are not getting answers. I totally accept that in that case his assertion might be true, but you're still making a fallacy. He's saying that everyone who prays and doesn't get an answer is not a true believer. That is absurd. Regardless, fr0d0 makes assertions that we didn't really believe when we were Christians which is fallacious because a) fr0d0 can't read minds and b) he's making a no true Scotsman fallacy.

I may have misunderstood what you were saying, but could it not still be true that people who pray and arn't answered arn't true believers reguardless of how bad an arguement it is?

Im not saying I believe this at all.