Which Comes First?

[Eilonnwy]

What strange logic you work with Eilonnwy. You think asking for something impractical or unrealistic is acceptable or somehow ok? And you want evidence for my position on that!?!

What strange logic I work off of? I demand evidence before believing something, which is perfectly reasonable. Meanwhile you claim there can't be but then turn around and say you believe because of evidence. We have done tests on prayer and nothing demonstrable was shown. Either prayer doesn't exist or your God just sucks at answering them.

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Do you not believe in history, which has evidence, but not testable data like science. Don't you believe that I or the people you meet everyday are real people, or at least you act as if they are. How about right and wrong, or do you act morally simply because of the law? Or if a friend tells you something do you believe them or get a polygraph test on them and then data on their claim before believing them?

I dont mean to sound like Im having a go at you if it does sound that way, Im just making that point that no one lives that way and that all people live by a certain amount of faith (otherwise known as trust).

History can be confirmed scientifically. We use things like carbon dating to determine age, archeological evidence to study ancient societies. And yes, we rely on documents by people. It may be imperfect but we can get as close to the truth as possible using these methods, verifying events by corroborating documents and so forth.

When I say I do my best to be skeptical and live by science, I mean that I do what I can to believe things such as matters of religion, science, medicine, history, etc... on the best methods of truth seeking which is the scientific method. Of course I don't question every person I meet and demand a polygraph. Your questions are absurd and not at all what I was referring to. I'm talking about my belief system not every interaction with everyone I ever met. I wrote an article once on standards of evidence, maybe that will help you better understand my stance.

I may have misunderstood what you were saying, but could it not still be true that people who pray and arn't answered arn't true believers reguardless of how bad an arguement it is?

Im not saying I believe this at all.

Doesn't matter. It's an unverified claim that is based on a fallacy, which means it's logically unsound. Unless you can demonstrate the truth of that claim, it's not a convincing argument and there's no reason to accept it as true.