(November 5, 2012 at 9:44 am)John V Wrote:Imagine there's this place that you know that if you go there, you don't come back. Let's call it deathville.(November 5, 2012 at 9:31 am)pocaracas Wrote: The problem with this judgement is that, as far I'm aware, no one has suffered it. No one has been to that judge and came back. No one.Why?
You may argue: Jesus did.... but isn't jesus the judge himself? Doesn't count, then! We need real people that have been judged and suffered the penalties, or made it through.
On the rest of the world, no one knows what happens in deathville. They just know that no one ever comes back.
Some people hypothesize that it has a ruling body with some sort of council, others hypothesize that it has a king and some powerful sidekicks; other hypothesize that it only has one judge who judges everyone that goes there, based on the fact that they are people coming from somewhere else (there's no maternity in deathville). He then proceeds to attribute lodging to the incoming individuals.
the hypotheses are abundant, but no certainties exist.
How these hypotheses come about is a very interesting subject of psychology... study it.
One day, this judge comes into the outer world and says some banalities about his deathville. Some guidelines for the people to obey. Apparently, he god fed up with too many people who got lousy apartments and no one for the mansions he'd put so much effort into building.
And then he goes back to deathville and never returns.
The people in the rest of the world have then two choices, or follow those rules, or ignore them (here, I use the word ignore in both the "I never heard it" and the "I don't care about it" sense).
Smells like Pascal's wager.
Then you get the question: was that guy really the judge?, could he just be some one else that came out of deathville? Could he just be someone from our world posing as a deathviller? This last one seems very likely, since clearly no one ever returns from deathville, so this guy couldn't have possibly come from there.
This is why Jesus doesn't count!
(November 5, 2012 at 9:44 am)John V Wrote:So I'll end up in the apartments of deathville, instead of a mansion. And you too, and everyone else in the world. What's the use, then?Quote:Also:If you're a jew, there are 613 points to the law. If you're a gentile, there are traditionally seven points to the Noahide law if you'd like to follow them. Alternatively you can just follow your own code. Whichever you choose you'll end up guilty.
What are the rules we have to abide to pass this judgement?
*Kill people who work on Saturdays?
*Kill people who are in the places we'd like to settle?
*Force a raped woman into marrying her raper?
*Do not murder?
*Do not covet the neighbor's ox?
*anything missing here?...