When you prayed did it ever work?

[Edwardo Piet]

I object to you removing the words "knowledge of". That completely changes it.

I still meant the same thing. What did you think I meant by 'knowing God's will by testing it against him'?

No I didn't mean prayer. I meant you can test what you think might be his will against accepted wisdom on what constitutes his will.

So do you mean like... if you find what you think might be an example of his will, you try to see if that matches accepted biblical wisdom of God's will?

In that case I guess this is going nowhere if we're going to simply give credit to "accepted wisdom" without questioning whether that "accepted wisdom" is based on valid evidence.

That's pretty much how xtianity works. Warm fuzzy feeling is meaningless without backup.

And how does this particular case of "accepted wisdom" map on to the reality of what actually exists?

Assuming God isn't a certain kind of evidence. But you don't mind that. Assuming God we can conclude an answer: given God. That all answers succeed, compels students to trust.

So you use God as an explanation and don't try to explain God?