When you prayed did it ever work?

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I object to you removing the words "knowledge of". That completely changes it.

I still meant the same thing. What did you think I meant by 'knowing God's will by testing it against him'?

That statement is circular. My statement is not.

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So you use God as an explanation and don't try to explain God?

Crux here. We don't need to explain God. To do so would demand impossible evidence. No one starts on that fools errand.

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No I didn't mean prayer. I meant you can test what you think might be his will against accepted wisdom on what constitutes his will.

So do you mean like... if you find what you think might be an example of his will, you try to see if that matches accepted biblical wisdom of God's will?

In that case I guess this is going nowhere if we're going to simply give credit to "accepted wisdom" without questioning whether that "accepted wisdom" is based on valid evidence.

You would try to see if you didn't already know. Everyone has to question it lol. That's what believing entails. Choosing using knowledge. If you didn't have the information, and didn't assess that information so that you could trust it to be true, then you wouldn't have faith in the xtian sense.