When you prayed did it ever work?

[fr0d0]

Well yes, to be vague, we believe differently because we have different experiences of life, and we are different people.

But I wonder if there is anyway we can get to the specifics of the matter?

No, we know different things. What I know leads me to believe in God. How much more specific do you need to be? We've discussed this for hours in the past. There is no magic... Just understanding. I can't force the penny to drop for you. You have to understand it yourself. All I can do is try and explain it to you. In this context, on a hostile forum, you are in a team that pressures you to take an opposing view. The cards are stacked against you ever entertaining an idea seriously. I don't fool myself that this isn't the case.

Rayaan doesn't have any good reason to believe. He freely admits that. To him there is a mystery he can't explain, and that's where he is happy for there to be a logical contradiction. Not so for me. I know why I believe. There is no mystery. There is no dissonance to live with.

I've seen atheists give better reasoning for the existence of aliens than I have Rayaan of Allah. Rayaan would try and use the same scientific base. I do think it possible for Muslims to have a correct concept of deity. Their tradition is rooted in mine after all.

The answers you need have to be to your own questions. Your questions here are to further your disbelief. I have nothing new to say to you. You ask me, and other people the same questions over and over. What needs to change is the reason for the question. Once you stop looking to disprove the ideas you may become open to the possibility of discovering answers. The answers may already be there. Just your bias is preventing you from seeing them.

This really isn't the forum for such an endeavour. You don't want to look stupid to your peers. The reason you're here is for their companionship. If you wanted a serious answer to questions on belief the last place you'd look is here. Unless you really liked a challenge. I don't think you do. Am I right? So don't waste my time pretending once more that you genuinely want to know.

The specifics are those.