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Big Bang Theory
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RE: Big Bang Theory
(November 8, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Atheism has nothing to say about the origin of the Universe! You yourself said that atheism is not science - and I agreed. Twice. Do keep up.

My point, since you ask, is that no scientist working in the relevant fields pertaining to the Big Bang and origin of the Universe is claiming what you are asserting they're claiming; namely, that something can come from nothing. That's a creationist position, not a scientific one. I'm starting to suspect that the reason you want to pass it off as something scientists are claiming, solely in order to ridicule the science, is down to your recognising just how ridiculous the claim actually is and a desire to distance yourself from it. Understandable, but disingenuous at best.

No, you are dead wrong on every count.
1) It's a scientific position that the Universe had an absolute physical beginning. Atheism cannot deal honestly with the logical fact that an immaterial, timeless spaceless agency is in evidence - necessary to explain the known effect.

2) No Theist claims Something from Nothing. God is not Nothing.
Atheism is stuck with nothing to explain a contingent Universe. That's irrational. Ignoring the issue is not an answer to the Atheist's problem.

3) Committed Atheists in science like Stephen Hawking and Lawrence Krauss most certainly do try to pull the wool over the eyes of the public by positing a Universe from nothing. Krauss even wrote a book on the subject. He merely redefines the quantum vacuum energy as 'nothing' - an obvious sham. However, they understand the philosophical implications of a Universe that began to exist. They just can't be honest with the facts and use of language.

Do you ever take responsibility when proven wrong?

(November 9, 2012 at 12:14 am)Annik Wrote: I heard an apt description of the atheist's beliefs on the universe: Usually based on latest scientific findings.

That answers exactly nothing. Atheism is not scientific. Atheism is just a narrow-minded belief that nobody can justify in reason.
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