(November 8, 2012 at 11:25 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: You missed the qualifier. Absolute PHYSICAL beginning. There can be no absolute beginning. Nothing cannot cause something to exist.
The PHYSICAL Universe BEGAN to exist. It needs a non-physical causal agency.
Got it?
But the big bang is a state, and as seems likely it has a cause that was inngendered by the state that existed, so it cannot even be said to be the beginning, but merely a transition, It seems you are trying to make out the big bang as being the moment of creation, but the big bag does not fit that as there was already a physical existence, and in string theory there are many other universes with physical existence that effect this one, that are not part of the big bang state that this universe went through.
The problem with your position as I understand it is that you are trying to justify your religion, with natural philosophy, but they have very different systems of logic, and as such there are no proven connections, to say this thing in this one, 'creation' could be the same as that state in the other the 'big bang' is a hopeless bit of silliness.
I have not as yet come across, a scientific theory about how primary existence began, although there is some speculation that there is no primal cause.
Science can show, the world is older than six or ten thousand years, so as such we can assert a literal interpretation of the bable is an untenable position within science.
In short you can assert there is a god, but you cannot use science to prove it. As such your series of assertions on this thread are meaningless.
