Big Bang Theory

[Truth Matters]

Yes, non-existence cannot exist.

So we agree there.

Yet the physical Universe had an absolute physical beginning to it's existence.

Unless existence has always been physical?

Therefore, something non-physical (Immaterial, Timeless, and spaceless existed) as the prime causal agency.

I agree that non-physicality is possible, but I don't see why it is necessary. I agree that spacelessness may be possible but I also don't see why that is necessary either.

As for something timeless, I believe that that is nonsensical. Timelessness never exists. If timelessness ever exists then there is a time that it exists and it is therefore time itself and not timelessness.

The entire physical Universe began. Science has fully established this.

Materialism is not the same as physicality. Matter had a beginning but that's different to physicality according to science, last I checked. Matter had a beginning but energy itself may not have had a beginning, and energy itself isn't the same as matter but it's still physical.

So what? Science can't detect this non-physicality but that doesn't mean anything supernatural, spiritual, miraculous or godly exists.

Atheists are in denial to deny the absolute physical beginning verified by Big Bang - or pretend it has no relevance in evidence.

If the big bang really does necessarily mean the creation of physicality, how does that do anything for the supernatural?

Timeless dimensions do not connote time. I don't see the logical basis for your denial.

Timelessness must exist or you would have an actual infinity of time in the past - a true metaphysical absurdity. You must have a prime dimension that is not bound by tensed time but exists transcendent and causally antecedent to our physical, tensed time which comes into existence.


Energy is matter (presupposes matter). There is no reason to believe energy exists apart from space and time or causally prior to Physical beginnings. Where would energy exist? There is no physical space?

{ So what? Science can't detect this non-physicality but that doesn't mean anything supernatural, spiritual, miraculous or godly exists.}

You miss the point. The inference is from what we DO KNOW from science - the necessity of a causal agency with attributes normally ascribed to God. God has perfect explanatory power and scope. Atheist Materialism is simply incongruent with reason and evidence.
It's perfectly in evidence that a metaphysical reality transcends physical reality. Supernatural doesn't mean unreal or sub-rational.

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Rubbish! Every single bit of scientific and mathematical evidence (even proof) points to an absolute physical beginning. No scientific evidence whatsoever supports a physical Universe with no absolute beginning.

It's time you guys dealt with the actual science - not the Naturalistic speculations of committed Atheists in science hoping to give some plausible deniability to the actual science.

Physicality that physicists haven't detected or even can't detect is not the same as physicality that doesn't exist.

Well, yes! But be careful. I agree with the thrust of your statement. However, any such reality would be metaphysical - not physical. This is the stuff Theism believes - not the committed Materialists.
I absolutely believe a metaphysical reality transcends and gives being to physical reality.

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[quote='DoubtVsFaith' pid='360746' dateline='1352491174']

Hey FaithvsDoubt

I need to run out for a little while. I'll be back to answer.

Good questions