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Big Bang Theory
RE: Big Bang Theory
(November 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Timelessness must exist or you would have an actual infinity of time in the past - a true metaphysical absurdity.

There was never a time "before" time of course, because a time "before" time is still time - so time has always existed. And therefore the opposite to time: Timelessness, has never existed and never can.

Quote:Energy is matter (presupposes matter). There is no reason to believe energy exists apart from space and time or causally prior to Physical beginnings. Where would energy exist? There is no physical space?

I agree, there is no reason to believe that something can exist without space, as it wouldn't exist anywhere. But in that case how could anything non-physical exist anywhere either? It's the same argument: Where would it exist? Nowhere.

And as I said, as for timelessness, timelessness never exists, and time always exists. "Time always exists" means "time exists at all times" which is a tautology because there can never be a time when time doesn't exist. "Timelessness never exists" means "timelessness doesn't exist at any time at all" which is also a tautology because there can never be a time when timelessness exists. Therefore it makes no sense to say that timelessness ever exists, or that time ever doesn't.

Quote:You miss the point. The inference is from what we DO KNOW from science - the necessity of a causal agency with attributes normally ascribed to God.
Not only doesn't science have evidence for God but science can't have evidence for God. God is outside the realms of science because he's unfalsifiable.

Quote: God has perfect explanatory power and scope.
And where is the evidence for this God that is supposed to have this explanatory power?

Quote:Atheist Materialism is simply incongruent with reason and evidence.
Atheism is the rejection of god(s). It doesn't have to be materialistic.

Quote:It's perfectly in evidence that a metaphysical reality transcends physical reality.
What constitutes something non-physical to you then?

Quote:Well, yes! But be careful. I agree with the thrust of your statement. However, any such reality would be metaphysical - not physical. This is the stuff Theism believes - not the committed Materialists.
I absolutely believe a metaphysical reality transcends and gives being to physical reality.

So do you believe, then, that metaphysical reality is reality that physicists can't detect? That doesn't imply theism.
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