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Big Bang Theory
RE: Big Bang Theory
(November 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: I suppose it is quite possible that some non-physically dimensioned 'time' exists. However it cannot be prime. The physical Time, space and matter Universe we experience is tensed, but has an absolute physical beginning.
Time exists at all times, therefore time always exists. Time always exists, therefore time had no beginning.


Quote: Time has no causal capacity, so we cannot rationally conclude that time is the prime reality.
Well, time is the prime reality in the sense that it has always existed and has no beginning, because anything "before" time is time. "Before" requires time.

Quote:We also know that something must self-exist without beginning in time as causally prime of all things contingent.
What is this? The argument from verbosity? What do you mean by "self-exist"? Doesn't everything exist as itself?

Quote: Nothing cannot cause something, therefore, Nothing cannot exist in time, therefore something exists transcendent to time.
Actually nothing can't cause something because nothing can't exist at all because nothing is nothing and can never be something. Nothing can't exist in time or out of time. Nothing can't exist at all. Nothing doesn't exist.

And remember, time is eternal because that means that it has always existed and that means that it has existed at all times, which is simply true by definition.

Quote:Not unless you get in to metaphysical detection. A metaphysical reality certainly is consistent with God and certainly does undermine the Materialistic understanding of the Universe that Atheists rest upon

Explain how this is the case, please.

Quote:No, there is no reason to believe something PHYSICAL can exist without space. You are simply conflating categories. Metaphysical behavior is not bound by physical law.

All I mean is: What reason do you have to believe that anything at all exists without space? How can something exist nowhere and still exist?

Quote:You just got one of the evidences. Did you miss it?

Maybe. Could you perhaps help me out a little?

Quote:Contingency – God is the best explanation for why something exists rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause.
The explanation for why there is something rather than nothing is simple: because there can't be nothing because non-existence can't exist.

Quote: Therefore, Something necessarily self-exists.
Existence always exists as existence.

Quote: Self-existence is logically necessary.
I don't know what the "self" part is required for.

Quote: A Universe from Self –creation is logically impossible.
Yes.

Quote: Our Universe began to exist.
Maybe. But existence itself didn't.

Quote: Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence.
Maybe, but existence doesn't.

Quote: God does not
Neither does existence.

Quote: – God has no beginning, but self-exists as prime.
God is unnecessary, existence is necessary.

Quote:Cosmological – Absolute beginning confirmed by Big Bang cosmology requires a causal agency. Cause of Physical Universe cannot itself be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

Maybe. But doesn't imply God.

Quote:


Where's the evidence of design?

Quote:Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor’s edge. This is virtual mathematical proof of intent – a function of mind – is necessary to explain these precision orderings.

However improbable life is, the fact we are alive means we obviously live where life is even if it's extremely improbable.

Quote:Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God’s attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities must also be actual if possible, God must be actual.

Explain please.


Quote:Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?

Explain please.

Quote:Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?

Explain please.

Quote:Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul.
Chemicals have no moral duties.

Chemical causation doesn't refute compatabilistic free will. Incompatabilistic free will is impossible anyway. Souls are irrelevant and morality is irrelevant to God's existence.

Quote:Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (Atheism) – or an act of will.

Morality is irrelevant to God's existence.



Quote:Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,.

Personal experience is not sufficient evidence of such miracles.

Quote:Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intention, intelligence, purpose, free-will…

See this post.
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