RE: Big Bang Theory
November 9, 2012 at 9:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2012 at 10:06 pm by Truth Matters.)
(November 9, 2012 at 9:28 pm)jonb Wrote:(November 9, 2012 at 6:01 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Where has Penrose disputed the Borde Guth Vilinjkin PROOF of an absolute physical beginning?Did you even bother watching the BBC video did you see who was in it, did you see how he has changed his stance?
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Clearly, you don not understand the Big Bang Theory. The singularity is not a thing, it is a boundary. Your idea that some infinitely dense, zero size 'pellet' suddenly exploded is just inaccurate. Where would such a thing exist? There was no space.
The singularity also consisted of space, that is partly why the normal laws of physics do not work in the singularity. What you ask of the singularity is also true of the space we live in where does it exist?
You seem to be using terms, without understanding their meaning, then putting in your own interpretations, and then accusing others of not understanding the terms used.
Jon. I'm always amused as the these Atheistic theoreticians try to modify their positions as they step on each other's Atheistic toes and provide plausible deniability where the actual science wreaks of theological implications. I understand the actual science and really don't care about their struggles to keep from stomping on each other's Atheist toes when the science doesn't fit well with the Materialist narrative.
These are theoreticians Jon. They have a place, but don't put too much stock in their endless dancing and speculations hoping to explain around the science or offend their Atheistic Materialist peers. Pay attention to the actual science and mathematics.
Look, the laws of physics breakdown going backwards because the subatomic strong, weak, electromagnetic forces and gravity are not separated. This has nothing to do with the conditions present pre-Plank time. You cannot have space before subatomic particles exist and separate. Subatomic particles separate AFTER gravity separates from the quantum stage and the Unified stage begins. Basically, you have two stages before space exists and the sub-atomic particle physics begins. We need a Theory of the Unified stage (so called GUT- Grand Unified Theory) to understand pre-particle physics. It would be nice, but don't hold your breath.
In actuality, the "Big Bang" is a misleading term. The event is known to be a sudden coming into being and rapid inflationary event that we now known was precision balanced in a manner that would allow for non-collapse, controlled expansion and cooling, the formation of chemical elements, stellar systems and carbon based life. This is what the Fine Tuning confirmations of the 1970's were all about. BTW, Penrose was among (and still is) those who understand the Fine Tuning best.
I'm not sure what you mean by implying I'm pouring my own definition into terms. I suspect you are among the many who have been misled on what the singularity is all about. Science stops as density reaches infinity (whatever that would be) and zero -size, but that's because physics 'vanishes' going backwards from this singularity boundary condition (point). Reason doesn't. You still need a causal agency. It began to exist. It didn't cause itself.