RE: Big Bang Theory
November 9, 2012 at 10:08 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm by popeyespappy.)
(November 9, 2012 at 9:11 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: It doesn't matter whether you accept logical fact. It's still logical fact.
How can a physical cause exist before physics begins - in order to cause physics into existence? The notion is obviously absurd.
How can some infinitely dense zero-sized pellet simply exist out 'there' where 'there' doesn't yet exist? THERE IS NO SPACE.
You need to come to grips with the actual science and mathematical proofs.
You are appealing to wild speculations of Atheist Materialists wishing to explain around proven science. The absolute physical beginning is mathematically proven beyond all mathematical doubt.
You have no evidence or justification whatsoever to believe that physics explains the beginning of the existence of physics.
Per your unanswered question:
I don't need to prove a specific epistemology of God to demonstrate that the common attributes of God are necessary and in evidence to sufficiently explain the Ontology of a physical Universe that began to exist.
In other words, your Epitemological 'question' is an irrelevant red-herring meant to distract from the important Ontological question in contention.
I need to come to grips with science? That’s actually funny. The Big Bang model makes no claims that there were no energy, matter or physical laws prior to the Big Bang. It is a theory that attempts to explain what has happened since an initial expansion from an as of yet not understood singularity. It says spacetime as we understand it and a little bit later the physical laws that apply to the current universe began with the Big Bang not that there was nothing prior to the Big Bang. That there was nothing other than your immaterial, spaceless, timeless causal agent is an unsupported assertion posited by you. I’m merely pointing out there are alternatives to your unsupported hypothesis. These alternatives include a standard model that exists as part of a larger multiverse, and other models such as the Rost model which posits it is the universe itself that is eternal. One of these alternative is just as probable as your hypothesis.
As far as Ontological versus Epistemological I don’t see it as irrelevant at all. Your profile says you are a Christian. As a Christian you don’t believe in just any god. You believe in a specific God. If you believe in the existence of a specific God and argue that the universe was created by god then it would be intellectually dishonest of you to argue for some god that is not yours. I’m just asking you to provide evidence that the God you believe in is the first cause you claim must exist.
Edited because I fucked up the quote tags...
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