(November 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote:Quote:You have no basis to claim natural law would bind any transcendent metaphysical agency that has perfect prerogative over natural law and transcends our physical dimension. NATURAL law is binding on 'Natural' behavior, not supernatural.
If and when these supernatural elements interact with natural element, they are bound by natural laws. You can't have a "free lunch": if you interact with matter and energy you are matter and energy. It's the same reason why a completely invisible being wouldn't be able to see.
Quote:If you won't be honest when proven wrong. I will call you on it.
You haven't proven me wrong, you are simply repeating your absurd, paradoxical assumption that supernatural elements can interact with nature without being bound by the rules of matter.
Quote:What have I failed to read?
An entire post on the other thread where I show you the flaws of the fallacious Fine Tuning and Design arguments. Plus any philosophy book that's more recent than the Critique of Pure Reason, since you're still using Thomas Aquinas' proofs (repeatedly refuted in the Critique).
So you are claiming God (supernatural) is bound by Natural Laws based on what? Knowing that ceteris paribus applies, what condition within Natural Law would preclude God's intervention? What natural law is violated?
It's time you got honest. You are proven wrong.
You are also dead wrong on Fine Tuning.
You have no idea the sorts of infinitesimally narrow probabilities must be overcome in order for a carbon-life permitting Universe to exist. Stenger got destroyed in debate with Dr William Lane Craig on these points. Your silly idea that life is fine tuned for this Universe, simply ignores the fact that chemicals, stellar systems, etc would not exist if these various INITIAL constants and quantities were not set to within infinitesimally narrow ranges.
I can't correct every half-baked ill-conceived 'response' you spit out to dismiss potent arguments that you don't understand. That's why I have asked you to focus on one.
Your notion of 'rules of matter' is just silly. These ore NOT rules of matter. These are the NATURAL LAWS that GOVERN matter when ceteris paribus conditions apply. These LAWS do not exist as some attributes belonging to matter as internal rules of behavior. You don't even understand the concept of Natural Law.