Big Bang Theory

[Truth Matters]

lantinga's ideas about "chemical illusions" forget a very important fact: we live an universe that is not limited by our brains. Indeed, the universe, through natural selection, created our brains. Therefore our mental processes can't be an illusion, at least not completely. Otherwise we would have already ceased to exist as a species.

I's not Plantinga's idea of chemical causation of mind.
It's the logical implication of Athiesm.
Plantinga knows better. Atheists don't.
That's why you deflect off and ignore the logic.

Now explain how those chemcals caused the correct delusion in your head? Don't just ignore the question.

Evolution doesn't "ought" to deliver anything into Plantinga's mind. It's easy to understand that many mental patterns that have no corrispondence in reality outside of our brains are a huge evolutionary disadvantage (people who believe that they can fly rarely live long enough to have offrsprings).

Again, you ignore the question. What objective chemical delusion is the true delusion - necessary for you to claim Plantinga is wrong?
You have answered nothing. You can't answer.

There is no such thing as an "objectively correct" mental pattern. Mental pattern are correct (or not) relatively according to the data that we have. And according to the data we have, an intelligent creator is an unncessary hypothesis.

Then how in the hell do you explain your claim that Plantiga' is wrong?
Why makes your chemical delusions objectively correct? How do you know? Do chemicals also cause that delusion in your head?
Why do you make an implicit exception for the objective reality of your own chemical delusions when judging other delusions o be wrong?

Seems to me, you refuse to take Atheism seriously in reason.

Prove your interpretation of the concept of cause is correct?

You're grasping at straws. The concept of cause that I use is the one that is used by modern science. It may be wrong, but if so all of modern science is also wrong.

Grasping? I'm the one taking your Atheism seriously. You refuse to deal with the logic of chemical determinism of mind. You ignore the implications of chemical mind. Explain chemical mind in non-deterministic terms?
Explain choice and free-will in terms of chemicals causing mind.
You can't. It's logically impossible.

Prove Plantinga's argument is an abuse of the concept of cause? Where is your objective evidence?

The evidence for my claim is what I already wrote. This concept of cause is valid only between phenomena. A supernatural entity, therefore, can't be a cause of a natural phenomenon.

Again, you answer absolutely nothing. You merely ignore everything and pivot.

Atheism is madness.

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Of course, if Atheism were true, I may just be a subjective chemical delusion created in your mind, with no objective reality. You really can't be sure what subjective chemical delusions you ought to experience as 'your mind'. You certainly can't test it scientifically, because even the rules of science would be nothing more than the deliverances of chemical delusions.

This philosophical position is solipsism. Could it be true? Yes. Does it lead you somewhere? No. We have to accept that the world outside our minds is real, otherwise we couldn't do anything.

If there's anything that I believe and can't be justified is this. The world is real. I take this an axiom.

Theists think that they can prove that the world is real by proving that god is real. This is a futile and potentially dangerous attempt, because if you have a theistic mindset any evidence against an intelligent god (and there's plenty of them: vestigiality, mass extinctions, quantum mechanics, etc) would also prove that the world doesn't exist.

Theism is a circular argument. Theists want to prove god through nature, but to do so they need god to prove that nature exists.

Do the chemicals cause that delusion in your head?

Where is your evidence that your chemical delusions are the correct chemical delusions?

Prove that Theism is circular?
I provide evidence and arguments to justify my belief.
You have utterly failed to defeat any one of them.

You offer no evidence or arguments to justify your Atheist belief. You offer your own chemically determined delusions - validated only by other chemical delusions in your have no objective value.

You sure put a load of faith in your chemical delusions.

Atheism is nuts when taken seriously.