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Faith?
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RE: Faith?
(September 30, 2009 at 10:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(September 30, 2009 at 10:27 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Prayer, faith healing, so called "miracles" just for starters.

FAIL

None can ever be scientifically evidenced.

Try again.

And you prove my point. Thanks.
(September 30, 2009 at 4:24 pm)solarwave Wrote: Eilonnwy:

But Im not trying to say the deist god is real which seems to be the one your describing. Im talking about the Christian God who act in time. I don't need you to disprove the deist god, if you can is disprove the Christian God then I give up. Such as prove the claims to be illogical, contradicing, etc. I know you will claim that has been done, but I have never seen anything that can't be explained.

There are a lot of things, to be perfectly honest. If you are honestly interested in getting this question answered, I recommend two books to you: God: The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger and God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens.

I pick these two books because one deals with the scientific aspect of believing in God and how science shows there most certainly is not a God with respect to the Abrahamic God. The second book deals with religion and society and how harmful it is. Two very important aspects to the religion debate.

But to be fair and not just throw books at you, I'll briefly explain some things that changed my mind about God. Please note, these aren't all my reasons, just a brief overview of some.

First, the magnitude of religions that claim they got it just right and if you don't subscribe to their brand of religion you're damned, and we're talking even withing different Christian denominations.

Then there's the fact that millions of people suffer daily, some Christian, some not, and it's obvious their so called "prayers" go unanswered when their children die of hunger in front of them. I can't believe an omni-benevolent God exists and just watches, meanwhile basketball players will thank God for taking them to the championship game. To me, this simple problem shows me the world works just as you expect it would work without a God.

The Bible, look closely and it's full of holes and contradictions. Once I started to see all the problems with the Bible and learned how messed up the Gospels of Jesus are, that house of cards fell.

Free will versus "everything happens for a reason". This idea that you're in control, but not. All the good things in life are God, all the bad things are your own failings or God is "testing" you.

Afterlife, there's no evidence for it. Everything that makes us "us" is attributed to the brain. The science on this is astounding, and I've only skimmed the surface myself. There's absolutely no evidence for a soul.

Humans. When I started to study skepticism and how easy it is to believe things that aren't true, to accept someone's testimony uncritically, I realized how easy it is to found a religion. (Just look at Scientology) I fell into these traps myself, I believed the 9/11 Truther bullshit. This is why I try very hard to build my beliefs around science and skepticism, because I care about whether my beliefs are true or not because beliefs determine your actions. So I do the best I can to believe what is most likely to be true versus what is most likely to be false.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

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Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 2:19 pm
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 3:14 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - September 29, 2009 at 3:34 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 3:35 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 4:40 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 4:45 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 4:55 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 30, 2009 at 2:44 pm
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - September 30, 2009 at 3:48 pm
RE: Faith? - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - September 30, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RE: Faith? - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 10:39 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 1, 2009 at 4:07 am
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - October 1, 2009 at 8:19 am
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - October 1, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Faith? - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 30, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - September 30, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 30, 2009 at 5:50 pm
RE: Faith? - by Edwardo Piet - September 30, 2009 at 6:13 pm
RE: Faith? - by Godless - October 1, 2009 at 4:22 am
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:05 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 3:19 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:25 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:44 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 3:59 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 1, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 1, 2009 at 5:08 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Faith? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 4:55 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 1, 2009 at 7:26 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 7:38 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 1, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 7:52 pm
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: Faith? - by theblindferrengi - October 1, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RE: Faith? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RE: Faith? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 4:55 am
RE: Faith? - by theblindferrengi - October 1, 2009 at 9:27 pm
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - October 2, 2009 at 4:12 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 2, 2009 at 5:40 am
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - October 2, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Faith? - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 2:56 pm
RE: Faith? - by downbeatplumb - October 3, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 12:40 am
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - October 4, 2009 at 1:28 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 6:38 am
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - October 4, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 5, 2009 at 2:13 am
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - October 5, 2009 at 9:23 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 9, 2009 at 3:35 am
RE: Faith? - by Eilonnwy - October 9, 2009 at 9:08 am
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 9, 2009 at 4:06 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 9, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 9, 2009 at 6:17 am
RE: Faith? - by Tiberius - October 9, 2009 at 6:26 am
RE: Faith? - by Ryft - October 9, 2009 at 6:42 am
RE: Faith? - by fr0d0 - October 9, 2009 at 7:19 am
RE: Faith? - by leo-rcc - October 9, 2009 at 7:38 am

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