(November 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote:(fact) The absolute physical beginning has been fully determined by science.(November 8, 2012 at 9:29 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Then explain a plausible causal agency that fits the necessary criteria of any sufficient agency ( non-physical, timeless, spaceless, immaterial with enormous capacity) consistent with Atheism?
Non-physical? I have no need for a agency like that.
The only agency I need is one which explains reality with objective reasonable methods and leaves fantasies out of the equasion.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:29 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Explain exactly how physical science (empiricism) can explain the cause of physics?
I cant explain that because it has not jet been determained.
I will repeat what I said before.
I acknowlege things I dont know, but will pursue to gain this knowlege through rational inqiry, instead of simply declaring non-known things to be devine and therefor the process of determening their cause as heresy.
Now I guess that must be the most in-dept and basic explaination of my view and I will not paint you a drawing with smiley stickers and bright colors to explain it.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:29 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: The very notion is absurd. You may as well expect your metal detector to detect how to manufacture metal detectors.
Science is a very limited endeavor. Most truth cannot be accessed by science.
I dont know if this is a strawman fail or simply a display of outright ignorance or stupidity.
Explain this weird metal detector rubish in a bit more detail.
And show me the "truths" which your "devine" revalation\delusion has given to us.
Denial is ignorance. You need to come to grips with the logical FACT that physical scientists cannot access that which precedes physical existence.
(fact) You have FAILED to demonstrate the slightest problem with any argument. So have your fellow Atheist faithful. Demonstrate just one problem. You can't. You will lose trying.
(fact) It is the Atheist who is stuck with 100% chemicals to explain mind. It is the Atheist who has no other logical possibility available apart from chemically induced delusion.
The metal detector analogy should be obvious.
The metal detector (physical science) is simply not equipped to answer questions beyond the scope of it's utility. Expecting metal detectors to explain how metal detectors began to exist is absurd. Expecting physical science to explain why physics began to exist is absurd - a misguided abuse of reason.
Atheism is absurd.