RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Of course it is still subjective. Because chocolate is not objectively heavy (just as one example of how this remains what it began as). I think what may have tripped you up is that we both agree that getting sick is not desirable, but even this doesn't mean that "getting sick is not desirable" is objective....it merely means that we both agree on this. People are capable of sharing subjective opinions..you know, like whether or not vanilla is better than chocolate.
This, btw, is why I cannot stand it when people invoke the opinion of a god..or when they imply that we have no grounds for criticizing or disagreeing with these supposed opinions of god.
You and I have explored vanilla, we found areas where we agree and areas where we do not. We could meet at some point from the common ground of getting sick without ever agreeing on whether or not vanilla is better than chocolate. Because we can refer to what can be demonstrated (what can be known) in the formation of our varying opinions we have at least the opportunity to make a compelling case for our opinions (and to compare our opinions with those of others). Because I'm willing to concede that my opinion is merely my own -that it is subjective- I am not required to show how "heavy" chocolate is...a herculean task if you really think about it...nor is it actually required to be heavy to begin with. IOW, we can actually have a discussion..wheres "godopinesit" is a dead end. "Why does god opine it?" -
This, btw, is why I cannot stand it when people invoke the opinion of a god..or when they imply that we have no grounds for criticizing or disagreeing with these supposed opinions of god.
You and I have explored vanilla, we found areas where we agree and areas where we do not. We could meet at some point from the common ground of getting sick without ever agreeing on whether or not vanilla is better than chocolate. Because we can refer to what can be demonstrated (what can be known) in the formation of our varying opinions we have at least the opportunity to make a compelling case for our opinions (and to compare our opinions with those of others). Because I'm willing to concede that my opinion is merely my own -that it is subjective- I am not required to show how "heavy" chocolate is...a herculean task if you really think about it...nor is it actually required to be heavy to begin with. IOW, we can actually have a discussion..wheres "godopinesit" is a dead end. "Why does god opine it?" -
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