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Evidence?
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RE: Evidence?
(October 3, 2009 at 6:46 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't really understand your problem Retorth. If you can choose to believe or not believe, then you have free will.
Oh wait, I see... you're saying that because God says living apart from him is condemned, then this is God being inflexible?

Look at it this way: The Christian concept is a model for the best a human could possibly aspire to. Now it is clear we can say that anything opposing this concept results in the opposite: the worst a human could possibly sink to.

So.. condemnation is actually you choosing to do what would be detrimental to your well being.

So could you equally say you have no choice in life because some choices are self destructive? What about greed, lust, jealousy etc... these instincts can be destructive even though the choice to do them is natural. We can control our instincts with a strong moral stance. Intellectually we control what would do us harm.

Christianity asserts itself as the ultimate moral stance. Belief in God is the acceptance of ultimate morality. Without the choice, there is no morality.

'Christianity asserts itself as the ultimate moral stand'ROFLOL

Christianity is linked closely with the old testament which is an odious tome advocating genocide, incest, rape of females and slavery.
The new testament may not be quite so horrific as the old teatament but it did not supcede the old testament.
I have even heard that the words of that Christ fella validated the old testament.

I was at a debate between creationists and scientists the other day, when one of the attendees a local historian explained that she was writing a book on the 'myth of the good christian'.
Explaining that she had evidence that until th 1700s, people the world over were basically bastards, enslaving, invading and genrerally acting not very nice, until the zietgiest started to change.
Now admittedly the zietgiest started to change in christian countries but that does not explain the 1700 years when christians where bastards.

That gap implies that it was something other than religion that made people nicer.

My guess would be a scientific approach made people look at the world in a different way.

Thats right I'm saying scientific morality trumps christs.

Cool Shades
edited for bad spelling



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