Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 15, 2025, 4:36 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Evidence?
#72
RE: Evidence?
(October 4, 2009 at 8:53 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You're assuming 'God' and the Christian faith, which you at the same time deny. How can the conditions of a faith you deny have any bearing on you?

It does not have any bearing on me but is it wrong to learn about it anyway?

fr0d0 Wrote:You cannot conflate the two and criticise the position of belief from non belief. Either you criticise from the belief or you evaluate your own position from that position.

If that is the case, you too cannot criticize the position of non belief since you are in the position of belief, agreeable?

fr0d0 Wrote:Where does God ever say our choice to disobey him will be to our benefit? To be indecisive he would have to have said both. He never does. You do. You define free choice independently from God.

Of course he never says it is beneficial to disobey him. He always says it is to your benefit to obey him and love him and believe in him. That, he is not indecisive on. Clearly he is confident in his stand that we must believe in him. It is his condemnation of non-believers while giving free will that leads me to the conclusion that he is indecisive. Perhaps it is not indecisiveness but a sadistic nature of his. I could be wrong.

fr0d0 Wrote:Second point ignored as it's completely irrelevant.

LOL of course its "irrelevant" isn't it. Tongue
The dark side awaits YOU...AngryAtheism
"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
“Those who wish to base their morality literally on the Bible have either not read it or not understood it...” - Richard Dawkins
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Evidence? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - September 29, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 5:11 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - September 29, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 5:14 pm
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - September 29, 2009 at 6:25 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 6:25 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 7:24 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Secularone - September 29, 2009 at 7:47 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Minimalist - September 29, 2009 at 8:14 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Edwardo Piet - September 29, 2009 at 8:20 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theblindferrengi - September 29, 2009 at 8:49 pm
RE: Evidence? - by padraic - September 29, 2009 at 10:01 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Godless - September 30, 2009 at 4:14 am
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - September 30, 2009 at 6:09 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - September 30, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Evidence? - by Godless - September 30, 2009 at 8:55 am
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - September 30, 2009 at 3:10 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Edwardo Piet - September 30, 2009 at 5:52 pm
RE: Evidence? - by amw79 - September 30, 2009 at 4:34 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 2, 2009 at 4:55 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 5:12 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 6:55 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 7:02 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 7:16 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 7:42 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 7:51 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 9:14 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 9:17 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 9:23 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 9:32 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 9:46 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 10:57 am
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 2, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - October 2, 2009 at 11:02 am
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - October 3, 2009 at 9:34 am
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 3:05 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - October 3, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 6:23 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - October 3, 2009 at 7:11 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Edwardo Piet - October 4, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 2, 2009 at 11:24 am
RE: Evidence? - by Edwardo Piet - October 2, 2009 at 9:46 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Minimalist - October 2, 2009 at 10:33 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 3, 2009 at 1:02 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2009 at 4:54 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 3, 2009 at 6:04 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2009 at 6:46 am
RE: Evidence? - by downbeatplumb - October 3, 2009 at 9:06 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 3, 2009 at 9:53 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2009 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 3, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2009 at 4:58 pm
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 1:48 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 5:30 am
RE: Evidence? - by Ace Otana - October 4, 2009 at 7:05 am
RE: Evidence? - by Godless - October 4, 2009 at 3:37 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 6:44 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 7:03 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 7:28 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 8:25 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 8:53 am
RE: Evidence? - by Godless - October 4, 2009 at 8:49 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 8:52 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 9:05 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 2:18 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 4, 2009 at 5:34 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 4, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 4, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 7:11 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 4, 2009 at 7:28 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 4, 2009 at 7:49 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2009 at 8:00 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 8:27 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 3:45 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 5, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 5, 2009 at 6:41 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 7:27 am
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 5, 2009 at 7:44 am
RE: Evidence? - by Retorth - October 5, 2009 at 8:56 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 5, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 5, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 5, 2009 at 12:53 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 1:11 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 5, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 3:14 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 5:03 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 4:51 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 6, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 5:31 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 5:45 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Violet - October 6, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 5:23 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Tiberius - October 6, 2009 at 5:01 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 5:25 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Violet - October 6, 2009 at 5:46 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 5:50 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 5:54 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 5:59 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 6, 2009 at 6:12 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 5:57 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 6:00 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Darwinian - October 6, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Violet - October 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 5:58 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 6:14 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 6:32 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Darwinian - October 6, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Evidence? - by lilphil1989 - October 6, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence? - by theVOID - October 6, 2009 at 6:54 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 6:23 pm
RE: Evidence? - by zoso - October 6, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Darwinian - October 6, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 6:38 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 6:56 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 7:02 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 7:17 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 7:23 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 7:30 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 7:35 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2009 at 8:04 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 6, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 4:48 am
RE: Evidence? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 7, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 8:22 am
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 7, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Evidence? - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 7, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 7, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Evidence? - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 6:51 pm
RE: Evidence? - by chatpilot - October 7, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Evidence? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Evidence? - by solarwave - October 8, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Proof and evidence will always equal Science zwanzig 103 18586 December 17, 2021 at 5:31 pm
Last Post: awty
  Are miracles evidence of the existence of God? ido 74 11987 July 24, 2020 at 12:59 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  If theists understood "evidence" Paraselene 135 25816 October 10, 2018 at 10:50 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Moses parting the sea evidence or just made up Smain 12 4544 June 28, 2018 at 1:38 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  The Best Evidence For God and Against God The Joker 49 14837 November 22, 2016 at 2:28 pm
Last Post: Asmodee
  Scientific evidence of God by an atheist (Where mankind is one likely type of God) ProgrammingGodJordan 324 85863 November 22, 2016 at 10:44 am
Last Post: Chas
  Someone, Show me Evidence of God. ScienceAf 85 19738 September 12, 2016 at 1:08 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Please give me evidence for God. Socratic Meth Head 142 36614 March 23, 2016 at 5:38 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Evidence of NDEs Jehanne 22 7270 December 21, 2015 at 7:38 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  I'm God. What evidence do I need to provide? robvalue 297 52494 November 16, 2015 at 7:33 am
Last Post: Edwardo Piet



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)