fr0d0]I dont think you get it. It's the mixing of the two concepts together as if they were the same thing to be where the confusion arises, that is what I am saying you are doing. eg: I am a sinner (Christian definition) so I can't have Free will (Secular definition).[/quote Wrote:Alright, there is no such thing as free will then. Lets see, god is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent. (Please, correct me if I am wrong) If so, he knows whats going to happen and how everything will eventually turn out then.
If a baby is born deformed with one arm missing, or perhaps born with an additional finger or toe, does the baby choose this? Obviously not. God must have planned for it to happen then, yes? All in god's wonderous plan.
[quote='fr0d0]So god to you is either indecisive or sadistic. This is not the definition of the Christian God so you must be talking about another god you made up.
If I do not believe in the idea or concept of god(s), why would I want to create one? That seems so very bizaare.
fr0d0 Wrote:What is your opinion of my heroin example above? In that scenario are you still free to choose even though you know very well one choice will be very bad for you?
fr0d0 Wrote:You didn't address it.
I hadn't realized that I missed addressing it. My humble apologies.
With regards to your heroin example,
fr0d0 Wrote:If you desire heroin you can have it. You know it'll screw you up but that doesn't stop you choosing it. So you're saying you have no free will when it comes to buying heroin?
As I said above, god is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent so he would have known I was going to take that heroin and it would have been part of his ultimate plan as everything else is.
The dark side awaits YOU...AngryAtheism
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"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
“Those who wish to base their morality literally on the Bible have either not read it or not understood it...” - Richard Dawkins
