Evidence?

[fr0d0]

Alright, there is no such thing as free will then. Lets see, god is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent. (Please, correct me if I am wrong) If so, he knows whats going to happen and how everything will eventually turn out then.

If a baby is born deformed with one arm missing, or perhaps born with an additional finger or toe, does the baby choose this? Obviously not. God must have planned for it to happen then, yes? All in god's wonderous plan.

What on earth has that got to do with our conversation here?? Or the point you quote to reply to??? I don't think I should address it here (it's been addressed many times already recently anyway).

You have been trying to tell me that god "gives you the choice" but if you screw up it is your own doing so this very much is the point. Now I'm agreeing with you but you don't accept because you realize now how very foolish it sounds.

I haven't been telling you that - you have been telling me. Plus adding the nonsensical "god is indecisive OR sadistic".

Here's what I say: God gives you the choice and you are at liberty to choose to believe in him or not. Not believing in him equates to choosing poor health.

"I don't beieve in him because you realize now how very foolish it sounds"? Seriously.. are you taking something?
1. You say that I say there is no free will - what???
2. God (as defined in Christianity) is all knowing and all powerful - yep
3. Do babies choose to be born without limbs - do I really have to answer this?
4. Limbless babies are in God's plan - yes
An assumption being that God = sadistic or indecisive.

These questions never touch the question of choice. You add in the fallacious choice option where there is obviously never a choice.

The answer: God created nature/ this physical reality good and bad: to us. Sadly the world does not revolve around us as you'd egotistically like it to do. We take our place in the grand plan.

As I said above, god is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent so he would have known I was going to take that heroin and it would have been part of his ultimate plan as everything else is.

The point is you answer the question without invoking God. Does it mean that you do not have free will to buy and use Heroin solely because you know it will be harmful to you?

We are discussing about the religious stand point, not the non-religious. That is the whole point of my asking these questions to begin with, to understand your view point which instead of sharing with me, you merely attack mine. :S

The entire time I would, in that scenario, have handled the heroin in my own doing, obviously because god to me does not exist (Before you start attacking this I shall state that he cannot be proven nor disproven). Nobody controls me, nobody condemns me, I do the crime I do the time.

Now, what were you saying about this with respect to your omniscient and omnipotent god and his indecisiveness, not forgetting he would obviously know I would be handling heroin and it was in his almighty plan?

Yet again you dodge the question.

I want you to answer the non religious question to see if the secular answer would correlate to the religious answer. If you can't justify the secular answer then it would seem illogical to condemn the religious answer. This is purely me trying to defend my viewpoint, but you refuse to answer (for the 4th time now?).

It's ok. I realise now that you have absolutely no thoughtful understanding of your beliefs at all. I am happy to leave it here if you are.