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Which Comes First?
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RE: Which Comes First?
October 5, 2009 at 10:51 am (This post was last modified: October 5, 2009 at 10:52 am by Rhizomorph13.)
Quote:By what reasoning did you to think God has spatio-temporal properties?

My interpretation of the bible is that God acts on reality so therefore he should leave evidence. So Jesus was never spatio-temporal?

Quote:Am I to understand that you will believe a proposition only when there is scientific evidence for it?

Depends on what you mean by proposition. I believe that reality is real because it has been demonstrated to me to be a basic belief from the "non-existence" thread. There are things I will accept without evidence.

Quote:Are you aware of the rock and hard place you're wedging yourself into, with a falsehood on one side and a fallacy on the other?

Nope, what are they?

Quote:I ask this because, if you think it is possible for something without spatio-temporal properties to exist, then what evidence for its existence would you expect to find?

I don't believe in anything that exists outside the material universe. Anything real should be measurable. I have not seen any reason to believe in a trancendant thing.

I wasn't saying that anyone created an argument in answer to evidential claims directly. I am saying that it is awfully convenient that God just happens to exist in some special place outside of space and time. I now agree that if a thing spoke existence into being it would, by definition, have to be outside of that space and time, but it sounds like special pleading to me.

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Which Comes First?

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Which Comes First? - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 9:06 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 9:47 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ace Otana - September 29, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - September 29, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 6:42 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - September 29, 2009 at 7:58 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 9:50 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 11:03 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 11:14 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 11:21 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Tiberius - September 29, 2009 at 11:55 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 2:32 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 3:18 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by LukeMC - September 29, 2009 at 2:35 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 2:18 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 2:32 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 2:44 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by LukeMC - September 29, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 2:46 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2009 at 3:12 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by LukeMC - September 29, 2009 at 3:19 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 5:17 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 4:09 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 4:36 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - September 29, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 29, 2009 at 6:12 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 29, 2009 at 6:32 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - September 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 30, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - October 1, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - September 30, 2009 at 1:55 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - September 30, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - October 1, 2009 at 9:02 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 30, 2009 at 10:29 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 1, 2009 at 4:45 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:04 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 3:16 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - October 1, 2009 at 3:18 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 3:22 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - October 1, 2009 at 4:19 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - October 2, 2009 at 4:10 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 1, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Eilonnwy - October 2, 2009 at 10:46 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 1, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 2, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 2, 2009 at 10:32 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by chatpilot - October 2, 2009 at 10:57 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 2:45 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 4, 2009 at 1:21 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 1:37 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 2:04 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 4, 2009 at 12:41 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by theVOID - October 4, 2009 at 7:35 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 5, 2009 at 1:19 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 5, 2009 at 10:51 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 9, 2009 at 2:06 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Rhizomorph13 - October 10, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by solarwave - October 10, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 6:20 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 9:22 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 11:57 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 12, 2009 at 5:51 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 6:12 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 12, 2009 at 6:35 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 7:03 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 12, 2009 at 10:18 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2009 at 6:00 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 5:35 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 7:41 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by chatpilot - October 5, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 11, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Tiberius - October 11, 2009 at 10:48 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 11, 2009 at 9:48 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Violet - October 12, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 14, 2009 at 2:35 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by padraic - October 15, 2009 at 11:04 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by chatpilot - October 14, 2009 at 12:38 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 16, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by ecolox - October 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by theVOID - October 17, 2009 at 8:31 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - October 19, 2009 at 5:52 am
RE: Which Comes First? - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 7:30 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 7:38 pm
RE: Which Comes First? - by Ryft - November 8, 2009 at 7:33 pm

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