Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

November 28, 2012 at 5:53 pm

(November 28, 2012 at 5:47 pm)alwayson Wrote:
(November 28, 2012 at 5:44 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Madhyamaka may not, but you did, namely that "Creation does not exist".
Try again.

Thats a total miquote, but anyway

One cannot claim the universe exists.

Thus one cannot claim Creation either.

See post 1

Negating claims is not the same thing as making claims.

Mea culpa, I quoted from memory. The verbatim quote is "There is no creation". For all practical purposes, that has the same meaning as "Creation does not exist", and is NOT the same as claiming "One cannot claim the universe exists".

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 4:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by jonb - November 28, 2012 at 8:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:35 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm

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