RE: Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?
November 29, 2012 at 12:01 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 29, 2012 at 10:21 am)Drich Wrote: yupCan you imagine a situation in which that might be troubling?
Quote:Loyality/love will buy time for a while but everyone has their breaking point. The question was would you/they stay beyond that breaking point?Why is that the question? I mean sure, I've had moments in my life where I felt like I was at point break...but I kept trucking along anyway, so clearly I was wrong about that.....and it looks like you kept trucking along as well. Again, you credit a ghost for that "second wind"...others may find it elsewhere.
Quote:Yes like showing compassioning and opening my heart to love when it is not in my nature to do so.All well and good (sort of, I suppose.....). You don't feel that compassion and being open to love is in your nature? You are the same person who did inner city missions and stuck with a drug addled wife..are you not? You're telling me a narrative about your life that doesn't really match up with your self assessment. It might surprise you to know that this is a common occurence. Many of us imagine ourselves to be less of (or more of) "whatever". I would wonder why you feel that you require a ghostly force capable of compelling you - against your will- to accomplish these two things that, to me and many others...come as easily as breathing (I'd also add, that I don't actually think you needed anything beyond yourself at all..chances are compassion and love are well within the range of things you call your nature - no ghosts required).
Quote:I can't go back to pervious posts and tell you what I already knew, and what I learned on 95% of the day to day stuff. (Just forgot, as it all blends together.) The bigger topics like Hell, I know was beyond my comperhension when I learned of it.If something is beyond your comprehension..you could not comprehend it, by definition Drich. Here again you seem to have made a mistake with what regards to what you consider yourself capable of.
Quote:I went their for 15 years, it were I did most of my ministry. all of my friends were there. It's where I met my wife, where I was married and where I thought I would die. But things change, and it became a question of who do you love more God, or the church/method of worship?A question? So in this case you had some say in the matter, whereas in (at least one of )the previous two cases you did not?
Quote:This response has nothing to do with what I asked you, nothing at all. You mentioned that it was a radio program, right? Is it surprising that a church opened a branch within it's radio broadcast range? I mean, I don't actually care whether or not you think god is currently in your church, that's your business. I'm just trying to help you see why the notion that "god made them" open a church is less than compelling...and I half-expected you to appreciate that I was doing so from within the structure of your own beliefs. Other churches, of other faiths (which have nothing to do with god)..open all the time, all over the world. God isn't required in those cases, he doesn't "make them" do it. I don't think you're going to find gods name on any of the funds that went into establishing this new church, you won't find god as the purchasing agent, you won't find god listed on the deed, lease, title......the business of opening a church is an earthly one. There's nothing compellingly divine about putting a cross on a building (and even you don't see it as such - except, here, in your -special case-..apparently). This is laying aside that it's plainly obvious that you somehow feel that this was done for your benefit. A veritable personal miracle and direct experience with the almighty-by way of a real estate transaction....... An even stranger notion.
There are 3 times as many church currently closing in the states than their are churches opening. This was a small religious movement based out of chicago. Their were/are only a few dozen of these churches just now beginning to spring up. to have one come here is all God.
Quote:both.Both what? Should I rephrase? What is the name of the ghost (what name do you write the check out to) and where does it cash those checks (what bank?) You would have very easy access to both of these pieces of information..unless you're actually being disingenuos with me...which I'm starting to suspect that you are. No money is changing hands between you and a ghost, is it? Similarly, you declined to answer any of my questions in an earlier post about the particulars of your "conversations" with this ghost. I'm starting to think that you don't have conversations with a ghost at all, that you have fuzzy feelings. This would be disappointing. You see, in the same way that you seem to have misjudged yourself, you've misjudged me. My hostility to ideas like this has everything to do with a wide eyed curiosity, and how dependably this curiosity is shit upon by people who claim to have seen a ghost, spoken to a ghost - and then turn out to have been bullshitting me...from the word go - and I can't even imagine a situation or circumstance that lets me give them the benefit of the doubt. They knew what they were doing, going in. I think you did to, in this conversation.
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