Why do you believe?

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These supposed eye witnesses accounts haven't been confirmed as history anymore than the accounts of aliens crashing landing in Roswell in 1947.

It hasn't been confirmed? The church fathers document? That's not confirmation?

Assertions of historical figures is not enough proof for a miraculous event.

"Gentiles were already joining judaism in large numbers before Christianity rose."
That's not true. They may have excepted some of there rituals but joining Judaism in a large number? That's not true. youre reaching a little high on that one don't you think? Before chrisitanity arose the Jewish people were under rome's subjection. They wasn't going to give up there gods for such strict laws even you say that. Judaism requires serving only one god.

There were a number of gentiles converting to judaism. A good many were able to submit to judaism's restrictions (and monotheism) but not as many as there could have been because of the restrictions. This is basic mainstream history. Look it up if you like. I might provide citations if this debate is worth the effort.

Christianity or something like it was inevitable. It met the growing demand of the time and because of that it grew. It's not miraculous. It's just good marketing.

A lot of this is explained in the book "Not the Impossible Faith" by phd historian Richard Carrier.

Why doesn't it prove anything about the ressurection? The church was established on Jesus Christ. He promised that the church would grow and it did.

We don't know for sure what Jesus said. Very little of the gospels can be truthfully said to be authentic sayings of Jesus with any degree of certainty.

If christ was only a legend chrisitanity would have dwindled off way before the 4th century.

Um, except for you know every single other religion in the history of mankind, several of which continue to this day.

Early Christians died for what they said they saw that early morining. If it were a lie that wouldn't have happened. Granted men die for there religion everyday but there is no one who would die, change there religion and cause there families to be tormented all on the bases of a lie. And that's what the early first Christians did.

Who said they were lying? How about delusional?

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CAN I WRITE THIS EVEN CLEARER? history gives you eye witness accounts from men who gave there lives over to be burned. If this was a lie they wouldn't have done so. No one dies on the bases of lies. And besides because history reveals eye witnesses it is up to you to refute it not me. You claim that these historical facts are not reliable prove it. But you can't. So you keep asking me to do it. When I've already stated the historical facts. Again it is a fact that there were eye witness in history disprove it. The decsiples were eye witnesses and died for what they believed. We know that the church fathers knew the disciples personally and stated there own testament of the truth. That's in history. Check the archives! Check the historians! We know this. What? You're going to ask me to prove it again? I've stated historical facts you state yours! Come atheist you can do better

I have been abducted by aliens on several occasions. They come at night during the spring time and do weird experiments on my body. You can even see the scars they left. My friend Bob, who's away at the moment also claims he saw me being lifted up into their spacecraft one night.

Prove that I wasn't abducted.