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Why do you believe?
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RE: Why do you believe?
Oh, you come back to check if these stupid deluded atheists can have some form of intelligence that you can, somehow, refute...
But if I show you some facts about other religions.... will you accept them as truth?
When I mentioned the pharaohs as examples of empty tombs, I was hoping you would be intelligent enough to understand the parallel, but all you did was scorn:
(November 30, 2012 at 10:52 pm)The truth Wrote:
(November 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Archeologists have found many empty tombs in the valley of the kings in Egypt... Did all the mummies rise up, then? Oh my....

Lol that's a funny post. But find me one of those mummy's who said weeks before they died they would rise in three
days, and when they died and placed in a tomb three days later there tombs were empty? Where are thee kings of Egypt?!! Smile notice what you said..... "Archeologists." these Egyptian tombs were here for thousands of years before they Archeologists found them. There is no historical data claiming resurrection. And if it is prove it. The mummies of the past is an entirely different conversation. again that was a funny post lol
Allow me.
First, lol. It seems you like that acronym a lot, so here it is again, lol.
All the mummies were expecting to relive, or else, there would be no point to being preserved.
Where are the kings of Egypt? Where is jesus? in your heart? in Jerusalem? in Moscow? In New York? Where? Oh, that's right, conveniently, back in heaven, that mystical place out of this Universe... whatever that means... and how would anyone know this?...Oh, he said so, before he went... right... Can't you see that it's a fabricated story for gullible people to accept as true because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside? No you can't... you want to feel warm and fuzzy inside in a not entirely conscious way... You probably can't even conceive the possibility of god's non-existence...

There is as much historical evidence for the resurrection of mummies as there is for you jesus.
I've seen mummies running around in scooby doo...
Oh look what you wrote at some point:
(November 30, 2012 at 11:23 pm)The truth Wrote: Obviously there is no way to proove the ressurection of Christ. But there are many facts that support it.
Facts that support it.... hmmm can't wait to hear them out....
ah, here they are:

(December 1, 2012 at 2:29 am)The truth Wrote:
(December 1, 2012 at 1:40 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Indeed. Who are these eyewitnesses? Where is their testimony?

(crickets)
The new testament, the early church, the thousands of souls who died for his name in the first century. Are you kidding me? Paul who once killed the church but was converted and served it until his death. The eye witness testimony showed evidence by how they over took the entire roman empire in only a small amount of years! And it wasn't with weapons. but with sighns and wonders, love, and the witness of Christ ressurection. There testimony has turned the world upside down for two thousand years. It's the reason why you're talking about it know. Christianity's effect in the first century is a known fact. There effect in anctient rome is also a known historical fact.

yes, yes.... ancient egyptian gods also left some sort of lasting effect on those people. Hindu gods did the same thing in India. The greeks were happy with their faulty gods...
During WWII, the people in an island on the Pacific came to believe the god of the cargo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
Just to show you how gullible people can be, particularly ignorant people. And I challenge you to claim that the original followers of jesus were anything but gullible ignorant poor people.


Now, you want evidence that christianity is wrong.
The original god which served as basis for christianity, yahweh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh Wrote:Yahweh, is the name of the national god of Israel in the Hebrew Bible.

Despite the bible's story, according to which the Israelites originated from Mespotamia via slavery in Egypt, the evidence indicates that they were native to Canaan.[1] Yahweh, however, was not a Canaanite god, and modern scholars see him originating in Edom, the region south of Judah.[2][3] The goddess Asherah may have been Yahweh's consort in the earliest period. Originally the main god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah, worship of Yahweh alone (monotheism) became entrenched in Judaism in the exilic and Persian periods.[4]

Well, it seems this god was preceded in someway by other gods. Let's just look at this Asherah:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah Wrote:Asherah, in Semitic mythology, is a Semitic mother goddess, who appears in a number of ancient sources including Akkadian writings by the name of Ashratum/Ashratu and in Hittite as Asherdu(s) or Ashertu(s) or Aserdu(s) or Asertu(s). Asherah is generally considered identical with the Ugaritic goddess Athirat (more accurately transcribed as ʼAṯirat).

She is identified as the wife or consort of the Sumerian Anu or Ugaritic El, the oldest deities of their pantheons.[1][2] This role gave her a similarly high rank in the Ugaritic pantheon.[3]

The plot thickens.... who was this Anu?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu Wrote:In Sumerian mythology, Anu was a sky-god, the god of heaven, lord of constellations, king of gods, spirits and demons, and dwelt in the highest heavenly regions. It was believed that he had the power to judge those who had committed crimes, and that he had created the stars as soldiers to destroy the wicked.

EDIT: Bloody hell!, I had written a bunch of stuff after this quote but it didn't get stored!! GRRRR!

Oh well, Yahweh is just a copycat of Anu, a god which has lost it's supporter base and has been cast to the myth from whence it came. Just because no one believes in him anymore.
If the god which is claimed to originally have interacted with humans turned out to be forgotten and disbelieved, why would anyone assume that the new guy on the block is real? Makes no sense, but somehow people went with it and then managed to build on top and come up with the jesus myth. If a man existed or not which preached peace and love with some background of the yahweh myth, I don't care... might as well have. But I cannot accept any of the supernatural stuff believers credit him with.
But, as I showed above, people are gullible, specially when poor or just plain ignorant. And gullible people will accept whatever is told to them. And you appear to be one such individual. Good luck with that.
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Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - November 30, 2012 at 9:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by SpecUVdust - November 30, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Aractus - December 1, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - November 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - November 30, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - November 30, 2012 at 10:50 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 8:47 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Simon Moon - November 30, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - November 30, 2012 at 10:50 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - November 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - November 30, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Dee Dee Ramone - November 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - November 30, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - November 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - November 30, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 12:39 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 2:05 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - November 30, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - December 1, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 12:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 2:29 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 2:33 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 4:36 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 3:47 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 4:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 5:17 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 2:45 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 3:47 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 3:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Norfolk And Chance - December 3, 2012 at 7:06 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - November 30, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 12:10 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 1:37 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 1:28 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 1:56 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 4:24 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - December 2, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 2, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 2, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 4:47 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 5:25 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 5:27 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by downbeatplumb - December 1, 2012 at 5:47 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 1, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 1, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by SpecUVdust - December 1, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - December 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 2, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 3, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 3, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 9, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - December 1, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by SpecUVdust - December 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - December 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 2, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 2, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 2, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - December 3, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 5, 2012 at 9:55 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by jonb - December 5, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by genkaus - December 6, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 8, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 9, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 9, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 9, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by downbeatplumb - December 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 9, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 10, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 10, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 11, 2012 at 5:32 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 7:15 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 11, 2012 at 7:24 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 7:38 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 7:46 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 7:54 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Whateverist - December 11, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by genkaus - December 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Welsh cake - December 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 9, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Welsh cake - December 10, 2012 at 7:10 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by KichigaiNeko - December 10, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Kirbmarc - December 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 11, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Whateverist - December 11, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 11, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Simon Moon - December 11, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 11, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - December 11, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - December 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 11, 2012 at 8:28 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Simon Moon - December 11, 2012 at 8:45 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 11, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 12, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 13, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Dee Dee Ramone - December 14, 2012 at 3:51 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 11, 2012 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Annik - December 11, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - December 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 13, 2012 at 7:20 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 14, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 14, 2012 at 3:25 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 14, 2012 at 6:04 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Annik - December 14, 2012 at 3:23 am
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