(October 4, 2009 at 2:19 pm)Darwinian Wrote: You can't be disappointed about a situation that not only you knew about but also created can you?
(October 4, 2009 at 2:25 pm)Retorth Wrote: If he knew it would happen all along, being omniscience and omnipotent as he is, he would probably have been disappointed before the creation process. What a screw up
It's like signing up for some course and going for the exam without ever studying, knowing you're going to fail. Why bother, seriously? LOL
I believe God is outside time so I think He is probably disapointed with what happened at that time 'forever' but theres only any point saying it when it has actually happened in our time.
Hes not disappointed in Himself but in others.
(October 4, 2009 at 4:40 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Although there are passages in the bible that say that the sons will not be punished for the sins of their fathers the bible does have passages recognizing that we are being punished for the sins of Adam.
Romans 5:12-14,18,19
I would like to show the same verses in my bible (NIV) as I find that verson to be better and makes more sense here:
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
At the end of verse 12 it says 'death came to all men, because all sinned' which seems to go against the idea that our death is the fault of Adam. I think the point being made it from the time of Adam onwards the sinful nature took hold, but that we are only condemned if we actually sin. So verse 18 makes sense because all have acted on the sinful naure. Hope that makes sense.
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