(December 4, 2012 at 2:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote: If he had been an ineffective president, like a Carter or Ford or his father before him, then liberals would not still be pissing in their beer over his presidency.
Um - he left the country in a shithole. There is something of a difference between doing things and doing things well.
So then you're granting my point that he was an effective president.
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