Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: February 3, 2025, 5:10 am

Thread Rating:
  • 4 Vote(s) - 3 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?
RE: Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?
(December 4, 2012 at 3:05 pm)apophenia Wrote:
(December 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: First explain why you believe Miricals have stopped?

My bad. I was referring to your statement below, that it is explained that there is a change in the frequency or nature of direct revelation. Please provide the references in question.

(Btw, I'm curious what one uses to judge "the accuracy and content" of a revelation with. If the revelation is not original, it's hard to determine that it's a revelation at all, as it's likely just repeating prior revelation. If it's an original revelation, then what does one compare its content to in order to validate it. [and if you say that it's consistent with other revelations, you're back at the 'unoriginal' horn of this dilemma. If I repeat a bunch of motifs that are attested to by tradition and then at the end of a long speech tack on something novel, does that make my something novel more likely to be true?] Your answer is wholly unsatisfactory. Let me give you a novel and unfamiliar revelation and you can tell me, based on accuracy of content, whether it's a valid revelation or not. "In the December a year from this date, apophenia will finish reading a book and her eyes will be opened." (Mind you, this 'book' could be the holy bible for all you know; tell me if this is a genuine revelation based on the criteria you've just laid out. Furthermore, you claim a revelation that you should seek a new church. Please explain what was accurate about the content of that revelation, presumably with reference to its content, preferably something that is not merely the result of filtering your life events through the corrupting influence of cognitive bias; what in the directive to seek a new church do you regard as true? [we'll deal with the mundanity question and base rate probabilities after we have the actual revelation and its result.])

You stated that God revealed to you that you should find a new church. I'm interested in the specifics of this revelation. Was this another dream, or a sermon you picked out to listen to, or perhaps a bunch of angry parishioners telling you to get the fuck out? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm still puzzling out whether your wife has a problem with an illegal narcotic or whether something about coastal water fowl is troubling her. Perhaps we can deal with that another time.


(November 27, 2012 at 4:04 pm)Drich Wrote: Jesus explains the change at the end of Matthew and Luke explains the Change in the beginning of the book of ACTS. It all boils down to Christ leaving and the Holy Spirit taking His place. The Holy Spirit Starts out directing 'feelings' but if one if faithful feelings get replaced by actual direction.



I'm going to be honest here with you, by sheer volume you all are wearing me down. I can't keep this pace of one marithon post after another on multiple fronts. especially if you have several questions to ask. i just donot have the time or resources to look all of it up (as you have accuratly discovered) So I need to ask a favor. Please boil your questions down as simply and straight forward as you can otherwise If I can not figure out what you are asking i will have to move on.

I have no idea what your asking me to provide you with. To me it starts out talking about Miricals or how direct revelations has changed and ends up talking about my experience or water fowel...

Try this: Work on the assumption that i conceed to your superior writting skills and drop all of the snooty/ overly wordy insults as they only further confuse me, and then just out right ask me a question or out right insult me. I need the easy to read version not the Blue letter Alpo version.

(December 4, 2012 at 8:31 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Fix your quotes next time Drich, you had your words quoted as mine in your post. I have fixed them here.

Why do you think the two paragraphs about peter and paul answer my questions above about your basis for believing that the fuzzy feelings is the way god now talks and directs?
Because Peter and Paul outside of Directly speaking with Christ had the same interaction we are privy to with the Holy Spirit.

Quote:No matter, take mark or luke for example in it's place, Do you think they were not 3rd person accounts that had to be relayed word for word through a mortal anonymous writer?
All writers were mortal, what is your point? Look at the works of Paul It is suggested He had a degernitive eye problem and rarly wrote anything himself and employed scribes to write for him. Again 3rd person, Mortal, wrote everything Down word for word.

Quote:The metaphor of "hole" I'm referring to is "god doesn't speak actual words in a voice to me, I just get a feeling."
Are you the standard in which the universe revolves around?
Drich Wrote:..
I gave a very specific example Of God communicating a very Direct message to me in a way consistant with the biblical examples.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html

Quote:So according to the scriptures you probably didn't do the right thing by staying with your wife. Jesus wanted you to forsake your wives if it held back your ministry, which dealing with an addict wife surely must have. It could have been satan that deceived you.
context. To Forsake one 'family' for the sake of Christ is to choose Christ when faced with an altumatium. When your kin says it's me or that Jesus, and you pick Jesus is what the scripture you took out of context actually means.

The reason I did not address the rest of your post is you have derailed the conversation, and I do not have the time or inclination to figure out what you are talking about. If you want to fix or restate your question to be on topic i will give your efforts my full attention. Otherwise know I am looking to seriously editing out some of the BS from these posts.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach? - by Drich - December 5, 2012 at 1:24 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  [Serious] For former Christians only, why did you leave your faith? Jehanne 159 19519 January 16, 2023 at 7:36 am
Last Post: h4ym4n
  Faith is Feelings zwanzig 44 6690 February 28, 2021 at 1:47 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty? Greatest I am 159 14639 September 10, 2020 at 3:37 pm
Last Post: Greatest I am
  Who the Hell does God think he is?? Drich 13 2321 March 6, 2020 at 12:15 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  What do the conservative Christians here think of Professor Bart Ehrman? Jehanne 69 8118 March 8, 2019 at 10:44 am
Last Post: Jehanne
  Christians vs Christians (yec) Fake Messiah 52 10728 January 31, 2019 at 2:08 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Why are Christians so full of hate? I_am_not_mafia 183 24934 October 18, 2018 at 7:50 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Christians: What line are you unwilling to cross for God? Cecelia 96 14534 September 5, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Another reason why Christians go to church Alexmahone 40 6352 August 20, 2018 at 10:35 am
Last Post: Cod
  Christians: Can you see why atheists don't buy this stuff? vulcanlogician 49 5579 August 19, 2018 at 8:03 pm
Last Post: vulcanlogician



Users browsing this thread: 14 Guest(s)