RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
December 7, 2012 at 11:49 am
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 11:56 am by Drich.)
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[quote]I corrected it for you. The documents doesn't even mention god. [/quote]Are you falling for the Nazi propaganda like the Germans did??? You spliting Hairs and using this document just like it is intended to be used. for it mentions the body of Christ. How Can one mention the Body of Christ and not intend to also include Christ himself?
[quote]Of course Hitler wanted completed allegiance. He certainly didn't want to obey the Pope, or anyone else for that matter.[/quote]Including God. Nor did He want His leaders to have a morality' Based on anything other than what he has approved.
[quote] But he wasn't an atheist. He actively persecuted atheists. That's what I proved.[/quote]Ah, no. you proved that you even now with the benfit of hind sight (all of the things Hitler's germany did with this propaganda) are still subceptiable to the orginal intent the orginal 'feeling' these letters and speaches were meant to envoke. In truth Hitler seperated himself and all of germeny from the established Church and built his own version of it as a way to control non-radical germans. He has made speach after speach first aligning himself with the idea of church but seperating that Idea from the established church and it's established views. Why? Because in the established Christian Church their is no way to justify "the final solution" He had for the Jewish problem. so he used the outline of authority and power the church had over the german people removed the established leadership and inserted his own. that way (much like the popes have done for the R/C chruch) he can change the bible to match what every new doctrine or direction he has for germany. Only a fool would openly deny the church, and God outright in that position. Hitler used the church or rather used the idea of the church to make his policies, german 'morality.'
[quote]Oh I don't know lets say in a couple months hitler decides to kill millions of Jews, that sort of thing. a Person who 'morals' were tied to his culture to his "Führer without any reservations."[/quote]
[quote]Nazi Germany's anti-semitism was Catholic in origin, a fact acknowledged by Hitler himself. [/quote]Then show me. show me the acknoweledgement on one of the documents from the archive I have been quoting. Everything 'we' have on Nazi germany has been translated and archived, their is even a search..
Untill you provide such 'proof' I will have to differ my understanding as to why Hitler/nazi's hated the Jews to what History tells us. "they blamed them for ending WWI too earily, they blamed them for the Harsh sanctions imposed by the winning countries of WWI, They blamed them for the lack of national pride, they blamed them for 'mixing' with pure areion blood thus weaking the great german race. Basically anything and everything that was perceived to be wrong with Germany was the fault of the Jews.
http://www.historyking.com/World-War/wor...-Jews.html
[quote]The Catholic Church and many protestant churches actively supported and encouraged fascism and nazism.[/quote]Then why did he feel the need to seperate Germany from the R/C Church?
This is what [u]The Nazi Party’s Central Propaganda Office[u/] had to say:
Where does the German Catholic Stand?
"The German Catholic knows what he has to do. National Socialist Germany has never hindered or refused him the right to stay true to his Catholic faith, and to practice his religion. In political and cultural life, however, he is and remains a German, for he has had to learn over the years of shameful decline that political Catholicism led the people to ruin, and that under its rule the Godless kept growing in strength. Knowing his duty to the people and the state, the German Catholic affirms without hesitation the cause of his people.
It was Adolf Hitler who took up the battle against the Godless Marxist movement, and led it to victory. It was Adolf Hitler who freed German Catholicism and Protestantism, the German churches in general, from the confusion of partisan and religious conflict. In his speech in Berlin on 23 March 1933, Adolf Hitler said:
“The national government sees in the two Christian confessions the most important factor in preserving our ethnicity. It will respect the agreements between them and the German provinces. Their rights will not be touched. It expects and hopes, however, that the tasks the government has undertaken for national and moral renewal will receive the same respect. It will treat other religions with objective justice. However, it cannot tolerate it if membership in a certain religion or a certain race results in ignoring general legal obligations, or even is seen as a license for criminal deeds, or the toleration of crimes. The government wants proper relations between church and state.”
The Führer’s words are the German people’s words! The German people demands a strict separation of politics and religion! The German people wants to see priests who serve God, but who do not egotistically seek after political power! The German Catholic demands the destruction of political Catholicism, so that the Catholic faith will not be harmed. — The German Catholic raises the cry: Away with all obscurantists! "
Hmmm I've seem to have Heard that phrase recently: "Seperation of Chruch and state." I'm sure whomever wants that sort of thing knows the potential of it and would not be so foolish as to repeat History just 2 or 3 Generations outside of this example..
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/rim5.htm
[quote]In my sentence, "to be happy with" meant "to tolerate". Job never rejected what god was doing to him as evil. Of course in your mind god can do whatever he wants, so there's no point in arguing this against you. [/quote]
[quote]I'm merely pointing out that your god is a vicious bastard. You like it that way. Fair enough. This tells me that you really like vicious bastards as long as they're powerful.[/quote]What I want to point out is the potential for anyone to be a 'vicious bastard" if the person making that Judgement dislikes them for any reason. Bob Ross the PBS painter (do a google search if you do not know who he was) could be considered a "vicious bastard" by anyone else for any number of reasons. The point being if you have your ownset of morals and beliefs, then you can judge anyone or anything anyway you like. the only real question is what authority do you have to make that judgement count for anything?
[quote]I corrected it for you. The documents doesn't even mention god. [/quote]Are you falling for the Nazi propaganda like the Germans did??? You spliting Hairs and using this document just like it is intended to be used. for it mentions the body of Christ. How Can one mention the Body of Christ and not intend to also include Christ himself?
[quote]Of course Hitler wanted completed allegiance. He certainly didn't want to obey the Pope, or anyone else for that matter.[/quote]Including God. Nor did He want His leaders to have a morality' Based on anything other than what he has approved.
[quote] But he wasn't an atheist. He actively persecuted atheists. That's what I proved.[/quote]Ah, no. you proved that you even now with the benfit of hind sight (all of the things Hitler's germany did with this propaganda) are still subceptiable to the orginal intent the orginal 'feeling' these letters and speaches were meant to envoke. In truth Hitler seperated himself and all of germeny from the established Church and built his own version of it as a way to control non-radical germans. He has made speach after speach first aligning himself with the idea of church but seperating that Idea from the established church and it's established views. Why? Because in the established Christian Church their is no way to justify "the final solution" He had for the Jewish problem. so he used the outline of authority and power the church had over the german people removed the established leadership and inserted his own. that way (much like the popes have done for the R/C chruch) he can change the bible to match what every new doctrine or direction he has for germany. Only a fool would openly deny the church, and God outright in that position. Hitler used the church or rather used the idea of the church to make his policies, german 'morality.'
[quote]Oh I don't know lets say in a couple months hitler decides to kill millions of Jews, that sort of thing. a Person who 'morals' were tied to his culture to his "Führer without any reservations."[/quote]
[quote]Nazi Germany's anti-semitism was Catholic in origin, a fact acknowledged by Hitler himself. [/quote]Then show me. show me the acknoweledgement on one of the documents from the archive I have been quoting. Everything 'we' have on Nazi germany has been translated and archived, their is even a search..
Untill you provide such 'proof' I will have to differ my understanding as to why Hitler/nazi's hated the Jews to what History tells us. "they blamed them for ending WWI too earily, they blamed them for the Harsh sanctions imposed by the winning countries of WWI, They blamed them for the lack of national pride, they blamed them for 'mixing' with pure areion blood thus weaking the great german race. Basically anything and everything that was perceived to be wrong with Germany was the fault of the Jews.
http://www.historyking.com/World-War/wor...-Jews.html
[quote]The Catholic Church and many protestant churches actively supported and encouraged fascism and nazism.[/quote]Then why did he feel the need to seperate Germany from the R/C Church?
This is what [u]The Nazi Party’s Central Propaganda Office[u/] had to say:
Where does the German Catholic Stand?
"The German Catholic knows what he has to do. National Socialist Germany has never hindered or refused him the right to stay true to his Catholic faith, and to practice his religion. In political and cultural life, however, he is and remains a German, for he has had to learn over the years of shameful decline that political Catholicism led the people to ruin, and that under its rule the Godless kept growing in strength. Knowing his duty to the people and the state, the German Catholic affirms without hesitation the cause of his people.
It was Adolf Hitler who took up the battle against the Godless Marxist movement, and led it to victory. It was Adolf Hitler who freed German Catholicism and Protestantism, the German churches in general, from the confusion of partisan and religious conflict. In his speech in Berlin on 23 March 1933, Adolf Hitler said:
“The national government sees in the two Christian confessions the most important factor in preserving our ethnicity. It will respect the agreements between them and the German provinces. Their rights will not be touched. It expects and hopes, however, that the tasks the government has undertaken for national and moral renewal will receive the same respect. It will treat other religions with objective justice. However, it cannot tolerate it if membership in a certain religion or a certain race results in ignoring general legal obligations, or even is seen as a license for criminal deeds, or the toleration of crimes. The government wants proper relations between church and state.”
The Führer’s words are the German people’s words! The German people demands a strict separation of politics and religion! The German people wants to see priests who serve God, but who do not egotistically seek after political power! The German Catholic demands the destruction of political Catholicism, so that the Catholic faith will not be harmed. — The German Catholic raises the cry: Away with all obscurantists! "
Hmmm I've seem to have Heard that phrase recently: "Seperation of Chruch and state." I'm sure whomever wants that sort of thing knows the potential of it and would not be so foolish as to repeat History just 2 or 3 Generations outside of this example..http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/rim5.htm
[quote]In my sentence, "to be happy with" meant "to tolerate". Job never rejected what god was doing to him as evil. Of course in your mind god can do whatever he wants, so there's no point in arguing this against you. [/quote]
[quote]I'm merely pointing out that your god is a vicious bastard. You like it that way. Fair enough. This tells me that you really like vicious bastards as long as they're powerful.[/quote]What I want to point out is the potential for anyone to be a 'vicious bastard" if the person making that Judgement dislikes them for any reason. Bob Ross the PBS painter (do a google search if you do not know who he was) could be considered a "vicious bastard" by anyone else for any number of reasons. The point being if you have your ownset of morals and beliefs, then you can judge anyone or anything anyway you like. the only real question is what authority do you have to make that judgement count for anything?
