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Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
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RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding?
(December 7, 2012 at 6:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Says you. Trouble with that, is that you actually have to establish that claim, and then you'd have to find a way to establish that people can be property again. Nothing special about this plea. The right to own a human being is not a recognized right. Not by the country I live in, nor by myself personally. Do you recognize this right?
Yes, I recognize it in God, as you noted when you said "Says you."
Quote:As with all things here in the real world, no magic is required. Here, in the US, our rights are determined (in part) by a document conveniently called "The Bill of Rights".
The Declaration of Independence says we are endowed with certain rights by God.
Quote:Ants don't seem to have any rights because they haven't created any.
You could bestow rights on them. There are humans without the mental capacity to claim rights, but you bestow rights on them, don't you? So, this is special pleading.
Quote:I imagine the moment that an ant stands up and asks us about it's rights we'd have a hell of a problem on our hands,
Why would that be?

(December 7, 2012 at 8:35 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote: He's still a mass murderer. If you believe that he has the right to do it, he's simply a justified mass murderer. The act of mass murdering doesn't disappear.
The term murder connotes that its unjustified.
Quote:Ants don't have rights because they can't claim rights. Once you have the theoretical possibility of claiming a right then you have a right.

This is why an Artificial Intelligence would have rights that its creator should have to respect.
Why is sapience the cutoff? This is special pleading. Do you recognize any right claimed? And do you not bestow rights on some creatures which cannot claim them for themselves?

Quote:The key word here is things. A sentient being isn't a thing. Things don't have rights. Sentient beings do.
Actually most animals are sentient beings. You're thinking sapience, which is again an arbitrary special pleading.
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Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by LastPoet - December 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 5, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 6, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Zen Badger - December 6, 2012 at 3:51 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 6, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 6, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 6, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 6, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 7, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Norfolk And Chance - December 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Minimalist - December 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 7, 2012 at 10:31 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Zen Badger - December 7, 2012 at 6:01 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by LastPoet - December 7, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Drich - December 7, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 1:38 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 7, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Jackalope - December 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 8, 2012 at 6:03 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 9:45 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 8, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Welsh cake - December 8, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 8, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 8, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2012 at 12:12 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 9, 2012 at 7:03 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 9, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 9, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 10, 2012 at 2:46 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Greatest I am - December 10, 2012 at 7:31 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Undeceived - December 9, 2012 at 4:26 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Zen Badger - December 9, 2012 at 6:16 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2012 at 5:21 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Welsh cake - December 9, 2012 at 6:52 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Cyberman - December 9, 2012 at 9:45 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 10, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by KichigaiNeko - December 10, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by John V - December 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Why did God do Satan’s bidding? - by Angrboda - December 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm

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