Why did God do Satan’s bidding?

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Picture offered without any need for comment.

we've went over this pic before.

Before July 1941 Hitler was a strong supporter of God (and NOT of the Church.)

But after July 1 1941 a letter was issued to all top Nazi officals that they would have to denounce God and swear aliegance to hitler first.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/koehler.htm

The only reason one would not 'need to comment on this pic" is because that person was ignorant of history OR He wishes others were.

Do you know what was written on the German soldiers belt buckle in WWII?

Gott mit uns (meaning God with us).

Regards
DL

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Why did God do Satan’s bidding?

Because in the end it served God to do so.

So doing evil serves God's purposes. OK.

Scriptures tell us to be as perfect as God. We too then can do evil with impunity and God cannot punish us for it. Sweet.

Christians are too religious to follow their moral sense and spiritual natures. Religion is directing your morals instead of your God given intelligence, moral sense and spiritual nature. I urge you to follow the teachings of spiritual teachers like Bishop Spong. A moral man.

If morality is an ever changing standard, then for those who follow their morals are doing what exactly? They are turning themselves over to the cultures sense of right and wrong. Which is fine and good if the culture by the measure of whatever is currently in vogue. but what if the culture is into killing Jews? then what? Do you not think that inorder to have a whole soceity turn and try and kill a whole race of people that their 'morality' had to change first?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell us. Did God's morality change when he used genocide against us in Noah's day?

And what did he have against all those innocent animals?

Again without any absolutes, following one's 'moral sense or spiritual natures" is the same as "Just following Orders." Because our morality is defined by our cultures.

If it is then using genocide against it is rather counter productive is it not?

It is so we would not do it.

If morals comes from culture as you say, and I agree with that, then God cannot have morals because he has no culture. Right?

Galileo -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."

Reason and intellects are nothing more than tools. Like any tool they can be used in a constructive manner or a destructive manner. Let's say you have a hammer and with that Hammer you built a home for your family. Now what if someone took the exact same hammer and tore that Home down? It is the Hammer responsiable for how it was used? Is it the fault of the Hammer that your home was destroyed?

You are correct in that the intelligence behind it is what is responsible and in the story of Job, all the intelligence that exists was created by God in your doctrine so God is responsible.

In turn our intelects and ablity to reason is subject to our will. God is not asking you to suspend anything. Matter of fact He is asking that we take the tools He has lent us and build a strong relationship with him.

How can a relationship be built when your God is hiding somewhere?
Can you have a relationship with an absentee God?

Job 2; 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Fellow believers and Gnostic Christians like me; if you are a literalist or fundamental Christian or idol worship the God you have found in the Bible, I urge you to think of the story of Job and note from the wording that God is being manipulated by Satan. Satan bid God to move against Job without just cause and God did just that. God let Satan manipulate him.

..Or was God manipulating satan? Let look at the WHOLE Passage. start by reading Chapter 1 where God introduces Job to Satan.
If not for this introduction Satan would have not 'considered Job'

This whiny complaint from God "although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause." says that Satan manipulated God. That or it is just God admitting that he punish Job without cause under his own guidance. Have it whatever way you like. It is still God doing an immoral thing.

I know that your mind set is to think that God is controlling Satan but as the wording and God’s actions clearly shows, this is not so. Satan ruled God that day.

only if you look at the passages you have provided and ignore everything else written.

That is the pertinent passage. If you think not then show which is.

Psa 5: 5 For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee. 6 The boasters shall not stand in Thy sight; Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 4 For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you.

As Job 2;3 shows, evil definitely dwells in God and definitely sojourn.

two things. One you do know the difference between a Psalm (lymeric of Praise/Hymm) and a Doctrinal book correct? Also what Translation did you quote Job 2:3 from? I look at a few different version and did not find anything like what you posted.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV

I went to the original Jewish works. It is their myth so I did not want to quote some of the newer translations.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2701.htm

Some of you will say that regardless of the immorality of God’s actions, you can ignore them as you have a new covenant with Jesus. I see this as a cop out on your part. Jesus was not born divine. He had to become divine as we all must according to scriptures. These say he was a Rabbi only and had to force his apotheosis the way we all must through seeking God.

Before anyone says anything else first we need to confirm what you said is actually true.

My quotes from scriptures follow. Do you not believe scriptures?
They are from the KJ version in case you want to check the context.

Job 25; 4 How then can man be just with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Hebrew 5; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

If a man did what God did to Job, Christians would soundly condemn that man yet you elevate God for doing the same immoral actions.

Why? Because we see other men as equals, and in your arguement here you are trying to bring God down as an equal. Understand He is not your 'equal' and how or what you judge another man by, does not apply to God.

Certainly it does. Man has the same capability for morals as God does. God's words from Genesis say that ---he has become as God's in knowing good and evil. IOW, man has God's exact moral sense.

You do so because your fear death and crave heaven but your poor moral position insures that hell will be your end result as immoral souls do not earn heaven. Let evil be in your heart as God does but remember that recognizing it is what is important. Not the fact that it is there.

If you want to point out things like that i could say you fear judgement, and have tried to kill God off in your mind so you can live this life however you see fit.

With better morals. Yes.

Do you realize that your morality has been compromised by religion and that you are not following the law of God that is written on your heart?

Thank God for that!

You are giving God a pass when you should be giving him a fail, ---- just as you would give an evil man?

even if you had the authority to judge God, then what? Would YOU try and send God to Hell?
Yeah, good luck with that.

Scriptures say that he is already there.

Ps 139 8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Let your spiritual nature guide you. Not a corrupted religion.

Just like they did in Hilter's Germany, Or Stallin's russia, or Moa's China, Or Kim Jong il's or Kim Il sung's North Korea! Good advice.

Regards
Drich

They followed your genocidal God's example as scriptures urge us to do and here you nare complaining about it.

Shall we have a pissing contest as to who caused the most attrocities?

You should not bother because God takes the crtedit for his own as well as man's

Nehemiah 13:18
Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?

Jeremiah 19:15
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it,

Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Regards
DL