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What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
(December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Firstly, the supposed absence of such a worldview does not entail the truthfulness of Christianity.

Correct. The truthfulness of Christianity entails the absence of such a worldview.

Look, the question you had asked was, "What one thing, if shown to be true, would disprove Christianity entirely for you?" (paraphrased). That is the question I was answering. Since biblical Christianity presents itself as necessarily true, entailing the unintelligibility, incoherence, falsehood, or inconsistency of any non-Christian worldview, in whole or part, it would be disproved entirely by the existence of a single non-Christian worldview that is self-attesting, logically coherent, and consistent both with itself and the world in which we live. That would render Christianity probably true, thus possibly false; and a necessarily true worldview that is possibly false is a self-contradiction. How could you fail to track my direction here? I have been gone too long: You have become sloppy since we last engaged one another.

Let's continue examining your response.

(December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: If by "self-attesting" you mean has evidence to back up its core claims ...

No, that is not what I mean by self-attesting. A worldview is self-attesting when it does not need to reach outside itself to account for or explain this, that, or some other thing. If a worldview has to borrow intellectual capital from without, then it is not self-attesting.

(December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Even if the resurrection occurred, it is a complete non-sequitur to conclude that Jesus was divine and that Christianity is true.

Irrelevant. No such argument exists between us.

(December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: It has been shown numerous times that there are contradictions in the Bible. The only responses by apologists have been ad hoc rationalizations.

That would be an interesting discussion to have, this idea of yours that apologists have provided "only ... ad hoc rationalizations" (in response to alleged contradictions in the Bible). But since that would derail the subject of this thread I will not pursue it here.

(December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Something can be false but still be internally consistent.

True. And not a little ironic that you would say this so very soon after Stimbo chastised Drich for dismantling a simple, cohesive sentence in order to score some rhetorical point. Look once again, but more closely, at what I had actually said: "consistent both with itself and the world in which we live" (emphasis added). "Fantasy stories can be internally consistent but they're not true in reality," you said. Indeed, and thus they are consistent with themselves but not the world in which we live. You are going to have to do a lot better than this, Tegh—an order of magnitude better than this.

(December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: As for external consistency, I have never seen ... [snip rest]

Irrelevant. It does not matter to my answer what you have and have not seen.

Step up your game, Tegh. Beer league debate won't fly worth shit against me.




(December 13, 2012 at 2:19 am)genkaus Wrote: When Tegh asks "What, if proven to be true", he is implying truth as judged by naturalist worldview. And Ryft would be judging the "consistency with the world we live in" of all other worldviews by his accepted Christian one.

I want to correct this inadvertent misrepresentation. I would not presuppose the truth of my view when evaluating another view; such would be a question-begging move.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you? - by Ryft - December 13, 2012 at 4:07 am

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