(October 12, 2009 at 1:27 pm)Saerules Wrote: The singularity could not have given birth to anything if there was no time in which to do it. It is as simple as this. I'm 'caught up' in the fact that without time: there is no causality.
This is not true, "TIME" is a label we have placed on a dimension of measurement within our universe's 4-dimensional spacetime. At it's most basic, Time is a measurement of the increase in entropy, as dictated by the second law of thermodynamics (Entropy in a closed system must always increase) and because we can measure entropy we know for a fact that our universe is a closed system and if it is closed (and therefore finite) we know it had a beginning.
Outside of our own 4D bubble we call the universe, causation can still exist, it is simply a measurement on a higher dimension that would resemble our dimension of time in a practical sense, and since it would need to be (eventually) inside an infinite system, it would not be a measurement of time like our universe (there is no entropy) but simply a causal chain.
Quote: I'm not at all concerned with it's being the 4th dimension: I am concerned with the action of time itself. I'll rephrase for clarity: without time (in any sense)... there can be no action.
"TIME" is the label we apply to the 4th dimension, "CAUSALITY" is a concept - you'd best not confuse the two if you want to remain coherent.
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