RE: 2012 Elections results finally in US officially applies 4 Banana Republic status @ UN
January 7, 2013 at 5:59 pm
(January 7, 2013 at 4:49 pm)TheSteelGeneral Wrote: That is not argument. You're basically saying: Because traffic light didn't prevent all deads, let's scrap em.
Just because one system isn't perfect, it doesn't mean it isn't better than another system.
Sure it's an argument. Just about everything is with brickheads

I'm not making an argument that it's a horrible system. Only stating it's not perfect, and should not be heralded as such. Not that perfection is overly desirable of course, just that it doesn't always work, and arguing that it does is untenable

Even brickheads must know that much. Ballheads are hilarious too, you should see the things they come up with

Quote:Proportional representation is better because
For ONE thing we elect our governors by it.
For another, it's crazy to elect a leader who does NOT have the popular vote. Even when it's a 3-way race, in a proper democracy the one who get's the most votes, should be the winner.
For a third: electing the president by pop vote would take away this lopsided situation that one county in Ohio will determine who's gonna be president. I love Ohioans, but not that much.
No, we elect our governors by not proportion, but by number. Not in accordance to the whole (which would be proportion), but in comparing to each other. What matters under such a system is not 'which portion of the whole is greater'... it is 'which is the most popular among those who deigned to vote?'. You can win an election with but 10.00001% of a country's votes under such a system (assuming there are at least 10 candidates voted for), because portion is irrelevant and comparence of singular import.
For another... no it is not crazy to elect an unpopular leader. It isn't about what is and is not a proper democracy: it is about what is and is not a proper leader. America is NOT a democracy, it is a republic. And in a republic: it is the popular vote of the *senators* that matters, and them alone. Popular vote is more of an appeasement and sensationalism to the masses than anything else. The romans understood this... why do you think there were major colosseum events for any election of importance?

Oh, there are many problems with the current implementation. But at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. See: Obama gets cockblocked once again

Quote:Oh and "tantrums"? If you think getting angry about the APPOINTED president by the 5 SC ... well Nazis is a good description of them, so perhaps Fascism is a good system for you. Bush was and forever will be an illegitimate president, no matter how you scream "whiner" or "sore loser".
So... Godwin? Already? Well that's alright, I didn't expect much better from you anyway

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